I should have caught this earlier. It represents a mental attack. That needs Alternate Resistance "Will" (+1 PP per rank). If you're attacking someone's mind, which is the reason I'm allowing this to have Perception Range, you aren't dealing with Toughness. You're dealing with Will.Mind's Character Sheet wrote:....(alt)Mental Lance:Percepetion Range Damage 5, Subtle, Insidious 1
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You need willpower to avoid having your brain shut off? Hm. Well, that makes it even more expensive and... even lower in damage. Urk, let's see...
(alt)Mental Lance: Alt-Resitiance(will) Perception Range Damage 4, Subtle, Insidious 1[(4*4)+2]
DC 14 will save then, it seems. Or does it still use DC 15 as a base?
(alt)Mental Lance: Alt-Resitiance(will) Perception Range Damage 4, Subtle, Insidious 1[(4*4)+2]
DC 14 will save then, it seems. Or does it still use DC 15 as a base?
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It is a psychic attack. Not a physical one. Right? Willpower is what resists mental and psychic attacks. If it is a physical attack, doing something with the nervous system or electrical input/output going through the brain Fortitude would be the resistance. But then it isn't mind to mind and I'd have you drop Perception and add in Alternate Save "Fortitude" (+1/r)Doctor Malsyn wrote:You need willpower to avoid having your brain shut off?
Damage Effects, which is what this is, have base DC of 15. It would be DC 19 Will.Doctor Malsyn wrote:DC 14 will save then, it seems. Or does it still use DC 15 as a base?
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Of the two options, I'd think I'd prefer the more esoteric Will-save. I was trying to be pseudo-scientific with it originally.
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Alright. Thank you for making the change. I don't like doing this in the middle of combat.
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I need some clarification. Is Meat Shield performing a Ready Action, with the condition being that he attacks the first hostile to enter melee range?
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Yes, that's exactly it.
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Is it OK for me to use the same attack roll I made earlier on the rogue Meat Shield is attacking? I'm guessing there may be a minus for them being in cover though...
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No. A new Action/Attack will require a new roll. A reminder, these are Minions. You can take 10 when attacking them. Though I'm not going to say whether your Attack rank is high enough to hit them.
Meat Shield failed 1 of their Toughness checks by 5. That is 2 degrees of failure. Meaning in addition to the -1 to future Damage resistance they are also Dazed until the start of their next turn.
Meat Shield failed 1 of their Toughness checks by 5. That is 2 degrees of failure. Meaning in addition to the -1 to future Damage resistance they are also Dazed until the start of their next turn.
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I thought the failure had to be by more than 5 to get 2 degrees of failure. 14 is exactly making the check which I thought was a success.
But if necessary I'll use a Luck point to avoid the second failure.
But if necessary I'll use a Luck point to avoid the second failure.
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Just failing the check is 1 degree of failure. Every 5 full points a check result is under the difficulty class adds a degree of failure. As you pointed out, it is spot on 5 points. Go ahead and use that Luck point to reroll the 14.
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So does that mean failing by 0 (making it exactly) counts as a success or a failure? If it's a success then -1 to -4 is 1 degree of failure while all the higher degrees of failure are -5 to -9, -10 to -15 etc.
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If you roll the DC exactly, that is a success.
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But if Toughness check DC bands go in chunks of 5, then does that mean -1 to -5 is one degree of failure, -6 to -10 is 2 degrees, etc.?
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That's how the book lists it.Tony Jones wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:43 pmBut if Toughness check DC bands go in chunks of 5, then does that mean -1 to -5 is one degree of failure, -6 to -10 is 2 degrees, etc.?