In a world that worships evil, the things that people are most likely to fear being exposed ... are good deeds.
Well, that's probably a bit optimistic. It's much more likely that they are just things that make him look weak.
In a world that worships evil, the things that people are most likely to fear being exposed ... are good deeds.
Hahaha, yes, true, because the bad and evil things Ultraman is proud of (not just because he is a bad guy, but don't forget, it's that E-3 Reverse Logic thingie lol), so it must be some good deeds. He helped an old man cross the street and saved a kitty stranded in a tree.
Thanks. The combination of All-out Attack, Power Attack and Startle would make him a deadly attacker. I'm not that experienced with M&M or run statistical analysis, but I believe it might close the one level gap between him and Supes.Goldar wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:14 pm Very nice Ultraman and pic too!
I also see it that he would have alternating qualities with Superman that slightly shift their skills/advantages.
But since Ultraman does not hold back like Supes (all-out attack) wouldn't that make him more dangerous?
I also like the usage of "Ultra" abilities, 'cause that's what they are and what he calls them too!
So he started his existence in another universe and company like Captain Marvel, I see. I like him as exactly you described, a brick with full-fledged energy powers is a lovely concept. I agree on 90\100 ratio which corresponds to 18\20 However I don't understand why energy control powers should overcome physical brutes, elaborate please. Captain Atom can generate "red sun" radiation maybe but ı didn't get your overall reasoning. By the way comments are always more than welcome.Ares wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:57 pm Poor Captain Atom. Like Captain Marvel, he went from the prime paragon powerhouse of his setting to an also ran in the main DC. Still, since Billy has a bit more legacy and popularity he tends to at least get placed in Superman's league physically, if not always given the same level of respect.
Atom here had one solid push for him being a big powerhouse in DC during his re-introduction in the 80s, where he was considered to be a Superman-tier powerhouse. But ever since DC planned and failed to make him Monarch, Captain Atom has suffered quite a bit. If they aren't trying to figure out how to make him Monarch again, they're trying to turn him into Dr. Manhattan. It's like they can't just have him be an atomic powered powerhouse who happens to also be both loyal to the American government and a very moral person. His Charlton self also had a few nifty abilities, like his superstrength and durability being due to his control over his atomic density. He could do the Vision thing of being intangible one second (usually used to fly through walls) or superdurable and strong the next.
My own power scaling I tend to have guys like Superman and Captain Marvel in that Marvel Class 100 Hulk / Hercules / Thor level of physical might, while I tend to place Diana in that Class 80 Thing / Colossus level of strength and toughness to better show off her skill level (she's basically so good a fighter she can fight Class 100 powerhouses evenly despite the strength difference). J'onn is someone who starts out at Class 80 but can increase his strength to Class 100 via his density shifting and shapeshifting, but at the cost of limiting his versatility. Captain Atom is someone I'd put in the Class 90 / Namor /Black Bolt level of strength where he isn't quite Class 100, but can slug it out with those guys pretty well. Atom's big advantage should be that, like Green Lantern, his energy abilities are more powerful and versatile than guys like Superman. Atom can punch hard, but his energy blasts can overwhelm Superman's heat vision and deal more damage. It's just that kind of output tends to be more draining than punching. Atom can put down top tier heroes with enough energy blasts, but he needs to punch between the really powerful blasts to keep from wearing himself out. Hal can similarly take on top tier guys, but his weakness is more about mental fatigue, concentration and his relative lack of durability compared to top tiers.
I do realize this is your own scale doing your own thing, with Superman being more of a Centurion like "lone top dog", so I'm not trying to say "you're wrong" or anything. Just giving my own two cents, which honestly would probably be better spent in a thread of my own.
Captain Atom was weird, in as much as while he was the primary powerhouse of his setting, the Khaji-Dha Dr. Dan Garrett Blue Beetle could have given him a run for his money. Son of Vulcan might have been able to as well.Ares wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:57 pmPoor Captain Atom. Like Captain Marvel, he went from the prime paragon powerhouse of his setting to an also ran in the main DC. Still, since Billy has a bit more legacy and popularity he tends to at least get placed in Superman's league physically, if not always given the same level of respect.
Atom here had one solid push for him being a big powerhouse in DC during his re-introduction in the 80s, where he was considered to be a Superman-tier powerhouse. But ever since DC planned and failed to make him Monarch, Captain Atom has suffered quite a bit. If they aren't trying to figure out how to make him Monarch again, they're trying to turn him into Dr. Manhattan. It's like they can't just have him be an atomic powered powerhouse who happens to also be both loyal to the American government and a very moral person. His Charlton self also had a few nifty abilities, like his superstrength and durability being due to his control over his atomic density. He could do the Vision thing of being intangible one second (usually used to fly through walls) or superdurable and strong the next.
Well. They can't. The people who tend to be hired as writers at the major comics consider loyalty to the government to be amoral at best, and more likely immoral. So Cap become corrupt (Monarch), indifferent (Dr. Manhattan), or naïve.
I see WW right up there with Supes and Capt Marvel but all 3 as way above Hulk, Thor, etc, WW would one-shot the thing.Ares wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:57 pm Poor Captain Atom. Like Captain Marvel, he went from the prime paragon powerhouse of his setting to an also ran in the main DC. Still, since Billy has a bit more legacy and popularity he tends to at least get placed in Superman's league physically, if not always given the same level of respect.
Atom here had one solid push for him being a big powerhouse in DC during his re-introduction in the 80s, where he was considered to be a Superman-tier powerhouse. But ever since DC planned and failed to make him Monarch, Captain Atom has suffered quite a bit. If they aren't trying to figure out how to make him Monarch again, they're trying to turn him into Dr. Manhattan. It's like they can't just have him be an atomic powered powerhouse who happens to also be both loyal to the American government and a very moral person. His Charlton self also had a few nifty abilities, like his superstrength and durability being due to his control over his atomic density. He could do the Vision thing of being intangible one second (usually used to fly through walls) or superdurable and strong the next.
My own power scaling I tend to have guys like Superman and Captain Marvel in that Marvel Class 100 Hulk / Hercules / Thor level of physical might, while I tend to place Diana in that Class 80 Thing / Colossus level of strength and toughness to better show off her skill level (she's basically so good a fighter she can fight Class 100 powerhouses evenly despite the strength difference). J'onn is someone who starts out at Class 80 but can increase his strength to Class 100 via his density shifting and shapeshifting, but at the cost of limiting his versatility. Captain Atom is someone I'd put in the Class 90 / Namor /Black Bolt level of strength where he isn't quite Class 100, but can slug it out with those guys pretty well. Atom's big advantage should be that, like Green Lantern, his energy abilities are more powerful and versatile than guys like Superman. Atom can punch hard, but his energy blasts can overwhelm Superman's heat vision and deal more damage. It's just that kind of output tends to be more draining than punching. Atom can put down top tier heroes with enough energy blasts, but he needs to punch between the really powerful blasts to keep from wearing himself out. Hal can similarly take on top tier guys, but his weakness is more about mental fatigue, concentration and his relative lack of durability compared to top tiers.
I do realize this is your own scale doing your own thing, with Superman being more of a Centurion like "lone top dog", so I'm not trying to say "you're wrong" or anything. Just giving my own two cents, which honestly would probably be better spent in a thread of my own.
I'm not saying that Captain Atom WILL beat Superman using his energy blasts, just that Atom has a better chance of winning by relying more on his energy blasts than his fists.Harnos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:17 pm
So he started his existence in another universe and company like Captain Marvel, I see. I like him as exactly you described, a brick with full-fledged energy powers is a lovely concept. I agree on 90\100 ratio which corresponds to 18\20 However I don't understand why energy control powers should overcome physical brutes, elaborate please. Captain Atom can generate "red sun" radiation maybe but ı didn't get your overall reasoning. By the way comments are always more than welcome.