[MM3]Sunstormers - OOC
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Can Deborah tell how much of an informed choice the special forces people when they were recruited?
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I suppose with enough digging, Deborah could find that out. It sounds like from what neo's posted so far that this is just a job and she doesn't know why (or who) wanted Albert to be tailed.Tony Jones wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:58 pm Can Deborah tell how much of an informed choice the special forces people when they were recruited?
I suppose the question might be does she know of any similar operations going on?
Also, of the people watching Albert, is one of them in charge of the operation?
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William Ebert is the one who is in charge of the op here.
And they do know that Albert is a Sunstormer but she at least does not know why he is to be tailed. However, they are on alert and possibly expecting the order to take him out.
And they do know that Albert is a Sunstormer but she at least does not know why he is to be tailed. However, they are on alert and possibly expecting the order to take him out.
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I didn't think there was a cafe with a view of the stalker... because if there was, the stalker wouldn't be sitting in her car, but sitting in the *far* more comfortable cafe...Tony Jones wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:34 pm There was a suggestion Deborah and Sunny would go have coffee in a cafe with a view of the stalker. I think to avoid more obvious loitering.
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Depends on line of sight. The car could have line of sight to Albert's home. The cafe might not, but has line of sight to the car.kenmadragon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:24 pmI didn't think there was a cafe with a view of the stalker... because if there was, the stalker wouldn't be sitting in her car, but sitting in the *far* more comfortable cafe...Tony Jones wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:34 pm There was a suggestion Deborah and Sunny would go have coffee in a cafe with a view of the stalker. I think to avoid more obvious loitering.
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I think that was the size of it.
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The stalker team is six people, but in the list of who does what you say there is a demolitions expert, a sniper, one specialist in communications tech and countermeasures and two, including Deborah Sinclair, who provide further security. Which adds up to five people. Is one missing?
What role does Jack Kline have in the team? I'm going to speculate sniper but I might be wrong!
And as per the earlier question, does Deborah Sinclair know of any similar operations going on elsewhere?
Also, does she have any idea of how many people were/are involved in the 'super soldier' project? I.e. how many people like her there might be out there?
What role does Jack Kline have in the team? I'm going to speculate sniper but I might be wrong!
And as per the earlier question, does Deborah Sinclair know of any similar operations going on elsewhere?
Also, does she have any idea of how many people were/are involved in the 'super soldier' project? I.e. how many people like her there might be out there?
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I imagine that number-six is their CO who's running the op: William Ebert. You have three specialist skill-sets and two extra to provide 'additional security' (ie. fight in more conventional ways), so the sixth has to be leadership since they need someone to coordinate all five of them with orders and direction. My bet is that the CO Ebert has more information on who's higher up on the food chain than these soldiers do... at least with regards to who's backing this off-the-books op.
Unless it's not off-the-books... which would be very bad for us.
Unless it's not off-the-books... which would be very bad for us.
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Well, as Khemis has suggested, wait for the shift change when he should arrive and let our Deborah do her thing!
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Five plus leader.Tony Jones wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:42 pm The stalker team is six people, but in the list of who does what you say there is a demolitions expert, a sniper, one specialist in communications tech and countermeasures and two, including Deborah Sinclair, who provide further security. Which adds up to five people. Is one missing?
What role does Jack Kline have in the team? I'm going to speculate sniper but I might be wrong!
And as per the earlier question, does Deborah Sinclair know of any similar operations going on elsewhere?
Also, does she have any idea of how many people were/are involved in the 'super soldier' project? I.e. how many people like her there might be out there?
Yes, sniper
She has no idea about other ops going down at the moment.
She knows of about a dozen but there might be more.
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Thanks!
Also, Sunny really isn't reading Khemis' texts is he?!
Also, Sunny really isn't reading Khemis' texts is he?!
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Err, I think you misunderstood my point.
I was trying to have Sunny say that not even "physical evidence" may be sufficient to convince people (ie the general public) that the super-soldier program is real and that the government is stalking Sunstormers. Or at least not enough to get actual traction on the public scope. After all, how much physical evidence of this program would even be found at the stalkers' apartment? And even if we did find some physical evidence, what's to say people won't call it fake? We have no "chain of evidence" nor similar official record to prove where the evidence came from nor whether its true or not.
After all, even if we can obtain physical evidence from the apartment, we alone can't give it legitimacy.
It'd be inadmissable as evidence in a courtroom because we would be stealing it from an off-the-books military operation using off-duty soldiers who had been enhanced by a black-booked super-soldier program. If we try to leak it to the press, the evidence wouldn't be seen as factual because we can't prove its origins nor its authenticity. Having Albert testify against the super-soldiers stalking him only puts him in further danger, so we can't even use his testimonial as proof. Just uploading the evidence online to the public and letting the internet be responsible for spreading it just makes for an even messier result --- people would just start arguing about it as fabrications by basement dwelling nerds or decrying it as a propaganda campaign by either pro- or anti- Sunstormer lobbyists for whatever political agenda their opposing political faction is trying to put forward. So even if we did find evidence, we're still likely to be laughed at as conspiracy-theorists and possibly accused of doctoring the evidence as well since there is no way to officially verify that the evidence is real or not -- and the military, should the evidence be made public, is almost certainly going to deny everything and proclaim that the so-called "proof" is doctored by conspiracy theorists to paint the American military as villains in a scheme to further destabilize the country after the Sunstorm or something.
The only way any physical proof could be found as legitimate to the public would be if... well, if Helen was the one to find it. She's a police-officer and also a registered Sunstormer who's been given permission to use her abilities for the benefit of the Chicago PD and stuff. If Helen were the one to find the physical proof of this military operation and establish that chain-of-evidence to provide it legitimacy, then we could make it public and use it to help Albert out by shining the light on the military's shady op.
But without that kind of legitimacy... I very much doubt it'd help Albert much. Neither Sunny, Karima, nor Deborah can grant the evidence recovered from the apartment the necessary legitimacy without destroying our Secret Identities, and if we just released it to the public without that legitimacy, I don't believe it'll be of much help to Albert in actually solving his problems -- it's more likely to just cause further chaos and confusion.
And chaos and confusion is exactly what Nemesis seems to want.
I hate to say this, but if we want to make the military's op public and use that to shine a light on Albert's plight so that the military will back off? We're gonna need to reach out to Helen to do it...
The other option is to beat those super-soldier so badly that they are forced to call off the operation for being compromised and lacking adequate man-power (which will also provoke the military to start hunting us instead). Or to simply help Albert disappear and reinvent himself somewhere beyond the reach of the military... which is non-ideal for him.
I was trying to have Sunny say that not even "physical evidence" may be sufficient to convince people (ie the general public) that the super-soldier program is real and that the government is stalking Sunstormers. Or at least not enough to get actual traction on the public scope. After all, how much physical evidence of this program would even be found at the stalkers' apartment? And even if we did find some physical evidence, what's to say people won't call it fake? We have no "chain of evidence" nor similar official record to prove where the evidence came from nor whether its true or not.
After all, even if we can obtain physical evidence from the apartment, we alone can't give it legitimacy.
It'd be inadmissable as evidence in a courtroom because we would be stealing it from an off-the-books military operation using off-duty soldiers who had been enhanced by a black-booked super-soldier program. If we try to leak it to the press, the evidence wouldn't be seen as factual because we can't prove its origins nor its authenticity. Having Albert testify against the super-soldiers stalking him only puts him in further danger, so we can't even use his testimonial as proof. Just uploading the evidence online to the public and letting the internet be responsible for spreading it just makes for an even messier result --- people would just start arguing about it as fabrications by basement dwelling nerds or decrying it as a propaganda campaign by either pro- or anti- Sunstormer lobbyists for whatever political agenda their opposing political faction is trying to put forward. So even if we did find evidence, we're still likely to be laughed at as conspiracy-theorists and possibly accused of doctoring the evidence as well since there is no way to officially verify that the evidence is real or not -- and the military, should the evidence be made public, is almost certainly going to deny everything and proclaim that the so-called "proof" is doctored by conspiracy theorists to paint the American military as villains in a scheme to further destabilize the country after the Sunstorm or something.
The only way any physical proof could be found as legitimate to the public would be if... well, if Helen was the one to find it. She's a police-officer and also a registered Sunstormer who's been given permission to use her abilities for the benefit of the Chicago PD and stuff. If Helen were the one to find the physical proof of this military operation and establish that chain-of-evidence to provide it legitimacy, then we could make it public and use it to help Albert out by shining the light on the military's shady op.
But without that kind of legitimacy... I very much doubt it'd help Albert much. Neither Sunny, Karima, nor Deborah can grant the evidence recovered from the apartment the necessary legitimacy without destroying our Secret Identities, and if we just released it to the public without that legitimacy, I don't believe it'll be of much help to Albert in actually solving his problems -- it's more likely to just cause further chaos and confusion.
And chaos and confusion is exactly what Nemesis seems to want.
I hate to say this, but if we want to make the military's op public and use that to shine a light on Albert's plight so that the military will back off? We're gonna need to reach out to Helen to do it...
The other option is to beat those super-soldier so badly that they are forced to call off the operation for being compromised and lacking adequate man-power (which will also provoke the military to start hunting us instead). Or to simply help Albert disappear and reinvent himself somewhere beyond the reach of the military... which is non-ideal for him.
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OOC: Can Helen make a Perception check to see if there anything out of the ordinary?
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