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Re: Jab's Builds! (Kronk! Yzma! Treasure Planet! Brother Bear! Enchanted! Giselle!)

Post by Jabroniville » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:05 am

HalloweenJack wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:18 am
He had Can't Buy Me Love, I thought.


granted, not the biggest movie...
haha, oh shit, I remember that! I actually saw that at my best friend's house when we were teens, and he was living in a modular home just off of the main road in our old hometown. I... though it was pretty terrible. Funny that PATRICK DEMPSEY would play a total loser. Talk about Rachel Leigh Cook-ing that role.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Kronk! Yzma! Treasure Planet! Brother Bear! Enchanted! Giselle!)

Post by Jabroniville » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:08 am

greycrusader wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:43 am
Man, Disney's well really ran dry for awhile there after the Renaissance, up until Enchanted; I've never even seen any of these, though I've read Atlantis and Treasure Planet are actually decent, if not memorable. But the others range from bland to bad, and just have me wondering how creative can nosedive so quickly at a company.

All my best.
It's actually very, very telling how quickly the company's fortunes turned around almost right at the same time as Enchanted was released. It was like this attempt at poking fun at themselves made the company actually realize what they were ABOUT in the first place- it's no coincidence that two of their next three movies were Princess Movies again. Lasseter stepping in was another big move.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Kronk! Yzma! Treasure Planet! Brother Bear! Enchanted! Giselle!)

Post by Jabroniville » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:15 am

Huh, well I'll be dipped. Elena of Avalor is playing Adora/She-Ra in the Princesses of Power series. And Bow looks to be a "Sokka-like" character. That show might not be bad, however controversial it's become (because god knows the Filmation series was a bastion of brilliant storytelling, yo. I mean, I think I can pull rank and say I'm the biggest She-Ra fan here owing to having built EVERY CHARACTER FROM IT and seen most of the episodes, and I fail to see that show killing my childhood or whatever).

Maybe I'm just that weird kind of fanboy that doesn't care so much about adaptations or reboots. The bizarre new TMNT show, whose use of Raphael FINALLY proves Partners in Kryme's lyrics all these years later, also fails to inspire seething rage within me. I mean, it's been what- four of these remakes by now?

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Nancy Tremaine

Post by Jabroniville » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:12 pm

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mmm... animated Idina Menzel...

NANCY TREMAINE
Played by:
Idina Menzel
Role: Disney Princess (sorta), The "James Marsden" Role
PL 0 (12), PL 1 (12) Defenses
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 0 AGILITY 0
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Expertise (Fabric Store Owner) 4 (+4)
Insight 4 (+5)

Advantages:
None

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Initiative +0

Defenses:
Dodge +0 (DC 10), Parry +0 (DC 10), Toughness +0, Fortitude +1, Will +2

Complications:
Responsibility (Fish Out Of Water)- Giselle comes from Andalasia, a magical land where the rules are much different. She has little concept of modern technology, and has no understanding of cynicism. Her upbeat personality comes across as odd.
Relationship (Prince Edward)- It's "love at first sight" for Giselle and her "True Love", though this is more due to perceived fate than anything else, and they do not TRULY love one another.
Relationship (Robert)- The grouchy, cynical Robert takes care of Giselle, and she finds herself growing attached to him as she tries to teach him about silly things like enjoying life.

Total: Abilities: 6 / Skills: 8--4 / Advantages: 0 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 2 (12)

-Nancy Tremaine (her last name comes from Cinderella's Wicked Stepmother's) kind of got the short shrift in Enchanted, being more of an obstacle than a fully-fledged character. Despite being engaged to the male lead, she's the 7th-most-important character in the film, and features in very few scenes- her role is ultimately "The James Marsden", playing the one who's NOT supposed to get the girl/guy in the end. And in so doing, she basically has to be the plainly-dressed, angry/dour, humorless (whenever she's not angry, she's trying too hard to look cool), older-looking, dark-haired "Other Girl" to the bright, glowing Princess embodied by light, flighty Amy Adams. In the "tying up loose ends" finale of the movie, Nancy literally pulls an "Old-School Disney" and marries a man she's just met, fittingly marrying James Marsden's character, since she was playing the female version of Marsden's typical archetype.

About the Performer: She was played by popular stage actress Idina Menzel, who was nowhere near a name to anyone other than theatre dorks at this point, though she says she was proud to be cast just based off of her acting abilities, since her character doesn't utilize those dramatic pipes Menzel has. Becoming an animated character and marrying Edward at the end, we get the ultimate "Disney Circle of Life", as Idina would later play ANOTHER animated member of Disney royalty, but this time make a hell of a lot more of an impact doing it. And ironically, this time she marries a man she just met.

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Queen Narissa

Post by Jabroniville » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:46 pm

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QUEEN NARISSA
Played by:
Susan Sarandon
Role: Evil Bitch, Wicked Sorceress, Large Ham
Most Villainous Act: Tries to murder an innocent woman to protect her throne.
PL 7 (101)
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 1
FIGHTING 6 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Deception 5 (+8)
Expertise (Magic) 8 (+12)
Insight 2 (+5)
Intimidation 3 (+6)
Perception 3 (+6)
Stealth 3 (+4)

Advantages:
Artificer, Equipment 5 (Magic Mirror- Remote Sensing 8- Dimensional 1), Improved Disarm, Ranged Attack 4, Ritualist, Startle

Powers:
Morph 2 (Humanoids) [10]

"Hold Cars" Move Object 10 (20) -- [21]
  • AE: "Blow Up Advertisement" Blast 8 (16)
Offense:
Unarmed +7 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Blast 6 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
Initiative +1

Defenses:
Dodge +4 (DC 14), Parry +4 (DC 14), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +5

Complications:
Motivation (Queendom)- Narissa wants to hold onto her throne by any means necessary, and to protect it, must prevent her stepson Prince Edward from ever marrying. This will be accomplished by killing whomever his unlucky betrothed is.

Total: Abilities: 40 / Skills: 22--11 / Advantages: 13 / Powers: 31 / Defenses: 6 (101)

-Queen Narissa (played by the everlasting hawtness that is Susan Sarandon) is a combination of multiple Evil Disney Villainesses, combining the Wicked Stepmother Lady Tremaine with The Dragon-Morphing Maleficent and the Hag-Transforming Queen Grimhilde. However, unlike those fierce, staring, understated women, Narissa was played to the hilt with Maximum Hamminess, making her more of a scenery-hog. Once she finally teleports into the real world and starts raising hell, she becomes a much more dangerous threat (her Henchman is your classic "Blundering Fool" archetype, and throws out the Poisoned Apple & Turning Into a Dragon.

About the Performer: Susan Sarandon is a universally respected actress and the Goddess of Hot Grannies, so it's easy to forget just how far back her career goes. She's such a big name that she's the only performer in The Rocky Horror Picture Show who isn't most famous for THAT. Initially married to Chris "Prince Humperdink/Jack Skellington" Sarandon, she got a lot of bit parts, but got a lot of recognition as a Sex Symbol for a lot of '70s work, including getting lesbonic with Catherine Deneuve in The Hunger. But in another signifier of how big she was, she could do tons of nudity in sexy movies and STILL be ultimately respected, showing up in The Witches of Eastwick, Bull Durham (which made her a household name, apparently), and iconic feminist film Thelma & Louise, which also gave her Oscar cred. She finally won the award for Dead Man Walking, hitting a creative peak at *49 years of age*. Her career slowed down a bit given her age, but she pretty much became "The Older Woman Cast in Everything" before Meryl Streep's big comeback, appearing in Little Women, Elizabethtown and Stepmom (my mom's favorite movie, describing it as "every mother's worst nightmare"), among others. She still gets regular work, even past her sixties. She's currently SEVENTY-ONE and still appears in cleavage-baring gowns, because holy SHIT ain't no one telling this lady that septenarians can't be hot.

-It's really a hell of a thing- how many actresses have this long a career? How many actresses can appear in Sex Movies over and over again and STILL be respected thespians? The woman did White Palace as a predatory cougar who seduces a young lawyer (working title: Jabroniville Wrote This) and THE NEXT YEAR won an Oscar. Who else appeared in Rocky Horror and had remotely as big a career (keep in mind that's Tim Curry's most iconic and famous performance). And who else gets political THIS MUCH and doesn't get publicly hated- she's also a big deal in the "Celebrity Activist" world, somehow being one of the preachiest leftists in Hollywood but actually doesn't get shit on the way most hyper-lefty celebs do- possibly because she friggin' HAAAAAAAAAATES the Clintons, seeing them as corporate stooges.

QUEEN NARISSA- DRAGON FORM
Played by:
Susan Sarandon
Role: Evil Bitch, Wicked Sorceress, Evil Dragon
Most Villainous Act: Tries to murder an innocent woman to protect her throne.
PL 10 (138)
STRENGTH
10 STAMINA 10 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Deception 5 (+8)
Expertise (Magic) 8 (+12)
Insight 2 (+5)
Intimidation 3 (+6)
Perception 3 (+6)
Stealth 3 (+4)
Ranged Combat (Fire) 4 (+10)

Advantages:
Artificer, Equipment 5 (Magic Mirror- Remote Sensing 8- Dimensional 1), Ranged Attack 4, Ritualist, Startle

Powers:
"Draconic Size" Growth 10 (Str & Sta +10, +10 Mass, +5 Intimidation, -5 Dodge/Parry, +1 Speed, -10 Stealth) -- (36 feet) (Feats: Innate) (Extras: Permanent +0) [21]
"Dragon's Fire" Blast 10 [20]
"Dragon's Tail" Extra Limb 1 [1]

Morph 1 (Single Form- Evil Bitch) (Feats: Metamorph) [6]

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
Fire Breath +10 (+10 Ranged Damage, DC 25)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +10, Fortitude +10, Will +5

Complications:
Motivation (Queendom)- Narissa wants to hold onto her throne by any means necessary, and to protect it, must prevent her stepson Prince Edward from ever marrying. This will be accomplished by killing whomever his unlucky betrothed is.

Total: Abilities: 50 / Skills: 26--13 / Advantages: 12 / Powers: 48 / Defenses: 15 (138)

-Narissa's funny-looking Pink Dragon Form is actually her Base Form, morphin into the Lesser One. She's a fair bit less powerful than Maleficent, but is WAY more powerful than the typical heroes of her universe. Even so, she can't fly, and is killed when Giselle causes her to fall off of a building.
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Bolt

Post by Jabroniville » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:52 am

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BOLT (2008):
Written by:
Dan Fogelman & Chris Williams

A CGI movie that makes several attempts at Pixar- the serious moments, the sad bits, and the quirky concept (a dog that's the star of a TV show that thinks the show is real stuff). I found it pretty mediocre save for some great bits with the hamster ("DESTINY'S calling... will you ACCEPT THE CHARGES??"). Sort of a "Weak Pixar" movie.

The concept is a bit strange- the main hero is an "Animal Actor" who performs in a show where he's a super-dog. But, being a dog, he actually thinks he REALLY HAS the powers of his TV show character. And so when he's left on his own, he must make do under his own power, with a variety of pals, including an insane hamster and an abandoned cat that uses a vicious facade as a cover for her insecurities and sorrow.

The movie is somewhat important to Disney history because when John Lasseter took over as head of Disney Animation, this is where he basically added the "Pixar Elements" to Disney's design process. When they moved over to Disney, several Pixar guys noticed an atmosphere of... well, fear. NOBODY wanted to talk negatively about anything and be seen as "that guy", and so things weren't being properly discussed or vetted in the design process, and so Disney was churning out embarrassing, mediocre pictures (Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons)- NOT something a studio wants to get known for. And so with Bolt, Lasseter and his team sat down with the Disney guys and said "HOW ARE WE GONNA FIX THIS MOVIE?". And the process therein made it much more successful overall, and the start of a strong relationship.

The movie starred John Travolta (whose career has basically been a rollercoaster, seeing him being one of the 1970s' most iconic performers, then moving around bit parts and box office disasters that threatened his career repeatedly) and Miley Cyrus (who at this point was a "Girl Next Door" Disney Teen Star, who then decided to take a full "Sex Sells" approach, acting like a drooling imbecile while basically getting naked at the drop of a hat to gain album sales... which TOTALLY WORKED, as she had a ton of hit records, until the public backlash basically resulted in her being dropped all at once). It also caused Chris "Lilo and Stitch" Sanders to leave Disney, as his American Dog film was basically scrapped and rewritten to be turned into this, and he resisted the changes the Pixar guys intended to make.

No stats required. You could probably just use my stats for Dogs, Rats & Cats for the main characters.

Reception & Cultural Impact:
-The movie got mostly good, but not raving, reviews, and did about $300 million overall, only a little less than the late Renaissance pictures. Though it was well-received, it basically got ignored by Disney history. The fact that Miley Cyrus turned into a public spectacle (and a really strong example of how celebrity works- you can be as controversial and sexually-explicit as you want and even public disgust won't bring you down... but people WILL eventually get bored of the "shock" and then you've got nothing left in the tank) doesn't help.

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The Princess and the Frog

Post by Jabroniville » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:48 am

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THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG (2009):
Written by:
Ron Clements, John Musker, Rob Edwards, Greg Erb, Jason Oremland & Don Hall

-This one's pretty well known for being the first (and only) Princess Movie with a black protagonist, which some viewed as somewhat necessary, given that Disney often acts like black people simply never existed, not to mention the fact that the vast majority of the Princesses represent only European fairy tales and concepts of beauty.

However, the "Let's make a BLACK PRINCESS MOVIE!" thing of course opened up Disney to the fun world of "Using Minorities in a Film Work". Simply making a good movie wouldn't be enough- the whole thing would have the spectre of "The First Black Princess" over it, and people would judge it for that.In short, it's really damn hard to please everybody- some groups complained the heroine Tiana "looks too white!", and got her job changed from chambermaid to waitress and her name changed from Maddy. And then Disney had to balance the wire between "looking like a Disney Princess" and "not looking like a parody of black people" (ie. they had to widen her nose and plump up her lips, but not TOO much). Then yet others felt that Disney was being too PC by adding a minority to the cast list, but rendering them without flaws- never mind the pretty bald-faced "This Princess is BLACK" advertising. Disney characters usually need some flaws to be interesting, yet any flaws on a minority makes the lawyers & marketing people and their spines of plasticine nervous, because "OH NO PEOPLE WILL ACCUSE US OF RACISM!" regardless of whether or not that's true. So there was this huge pressure to make the heroine as flawless as possible- not the kind of thing that drives a story forward.

And so... we get a heroine whose key flaw is that she works too hard- the kind of thing you declare in a job interview as a "chararcter flaw". le sigh. This problematically ensures that the most interesting and fun character in the whole movie is Tiana's insane Southern Belle friend (who sounds like she coulda been played by Kristin Chenoweth, but isn't), who doesn't get enough screen time despite stuff like this. Basically the whole story is "A Prince Turned Into A Frog" with a douchebag layabout Prince, an uptight workaholic female, and a voodoo priest villain who wants to harvest the souls of New Orleans during Mardi Gras with a plot that is far too complicated and involved.

And of course they don't touch on race much at all (it's implied that the two building owners won't lease it to Tiana because of her "people", but that's it), kind of skating around it by putting them in New Orleans and merely showing the family as poor and working-class. But it's kind of muddied by having Tiana's best friend be her mother's white boss's daughter, tons of white people being cool with her, and the white characters all being totally okay with the rich white girl marrying this obviously darker-skinned foreign Prince in jazz-era New Orleans. If they'd gone with a "Cinderella-styled" fictional kingdom or something, this would work, but we KNOW what the world was like back then. Like... it lacks versimillitude. Are we just supposed to ignore it?

Overall, it's a good movie, but quite by-the-numbers (there's even a wacky sidekick and a big galoot sidekick- both of whom I didn't really care for), and a prancing villain with a Villain Song). The songs are pretty much entirely forgettable save Dr. Facilier's- this is largely because I freaking hate jazz music (despite having the musical tastes a friend described as "a time-travelling gay hipster") but I seriously can't remember any other piece of work. The New Orleans set pieces are really nice as an historical setting, and the animation reminds us of just how good Disney is at regular ol' animation, but there's few eye-popping "wow" moments, and that depresses me.

The kind of sad (and annoying) thing is that the characters are FROGS for most of the movie. It's kind of disappointing given the obvious amount of work put into Tiana, never mind that her Pimped-Out Princess Dress is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment. Like, if you're gonna pimp the "Black Princess" thing, maybe have her show off a little more? Honestly, the whole "Love Story" fell a bit flat for me, too. It's your average "they hate each other, but fall in love during their way down the river" story (done in countless other movies, and later replicated by Frozen), and I never quite got a feel for it the way other movies have. Just a lack of chemistry or something.

Overall, the best scenes are all either Charlotte's (she is a HOOT and a holler, I tell you what) or Dr. Facilier's- I find the rest of the characters pretty dull. And of course neither of those characters get enough screen time.

Reception & Cultural Impact:
-Hoo boy- this is the one that broke the camel's back. Disney's traditional animation wing had been struggling for AGES, and was finally killed off by Home on the Range. HOWEVER, Enchanted renewed interest in it. But when this hotly-anticipated movie came out and only became a MINOR hit... it destroyed the whole art form in America. With whatever bullshit CGI DreamWorks & Fox was crapping out at the time doing two or even THREE times the numbers this one did (Madagascar and its random humor provided huge numbers), and Alvin & The Chipmunks: The Squeakwel actually BEATING IT at the box office, Disney said "the hell with this" and determined that the whole world now vastly preferred 3-D. And Disney was basically proven RIGHT, because Tangled did about three times this movie's numbers, and Frozen would later shatter THAT. And now, nine years later, we've never seen another Traditionally Animated flick.

The big Pixar bio-book details a problem John Lasseter & Co. had during this production- their marketing people apparently BEGGED them to change the title. "Putting Princess in the title makes boys not want to see it; they'll think it's a Girl Film" they said. Lasseter and his gang ignored the advice, and when the movie disappointed, especially in those demographics... they had an awakening. The author indicates "this is why you HAVE marketing people- this is THEIR JOB". So any time you're wondering why so many later movies had generic, non-gendered titles like Brave, Tangled or Frozen (leading to jokes about past-tense verbs being the titles for ALL future Disney films)... that's why. That said, Disney isn't afraid to make the character's feminine NAME the title of a movie, so we still have Moana and other productions.

It's sad, though- 3-D Animation is a model I find inferior to hand-drawn stuff on general principle. 3-D stuff looks too "busy", is often showy for no reason, produces stiff and unnatural characters at times, and is just less impressive-looking overall on an artistic level- the success of Tangled pretty much put the nail in the Traditional Animation Coffin once and for all.

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Re: Jab’s Builds (Enchanted! Giselle! Narissa! Bolt! Princess and the Frog!)

Post by Ares » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:15 am

It's really depressing that most, if not all, of the 2-D animated films we get these days are direct to video.

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Re: Jab’s Builds (Enchanted! Giselle! Narissa! Bolt! Princess and the Frog!)

Post by squirrelly-sama » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:42 am

Ares wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:15 am
It's really depressing that most, if not all, of the 2-D animated films we get these days are direct to video.
It's a sadly dying art in the west, it's one of the reasons I watch more anime than western animation nowadays.

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Re: Jab’s Builds (Enchanted! Giselle! Narissa! Bolt! Princess and the Frog!)

Post by MisterB » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:47 am

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Re: Jab’s Builds (Enchanted! Giselle! Narissa! Bolt! Princess and the Frog!)

Post by Jabroniville » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:38 am

The full clip of the ending of Enchanted, complete with Animated Idina Menzel, who just might be the most beautiful 2D Animated Character ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_cKMsQ2_O8

Seriously, it takes an already gorgeous woman, and basically cartoonifies her with the impossible figure, huge eyes and ultra-clear skin. And THAT HAIR- it's just so freaking dark and perfect, with those little strands sticking out in the right places. Not a hint of shading or light on it. I... gahhh....

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Tiana

Post by Jabroniville » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:14 pm

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I swear, every year, this character just gets hotter to me.

PRINCESS TIANA
Played by:
Anika Noni Rose
Role: Disney Princess, Super-Hard Worker
PL 1 (41), PL 5 (41) Defenses
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 0 AGILITY 1
FIGHTING 2 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Athletics 3 (+4)
Expertise (Culinary Arts) 11 (+12)
Expertise (Waitress) 7 (+8)
Expertise (Singing & Dancing) 6 (+8)
Insight 2 (+4)
Persuasion 1 (+3, +5 Attractive)

Advantages:
Attractive, Ultimate Culinary Skill

Powers:
Quickness 2 (Flaws: Limited to Cooking) [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +2 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Initiative +1

Defenses:
Dodge +1 (DC 11), Parry +2 (DC 12), Toughness +0, Fortitude +2, Will +7

Complications:
Obsession (Tiana's Place)- Tiana is obsessed with owning and running her own restaurant- a dream she shared with her late father. This motivates her beyond belief, and is almost the only thing she ever talks about.
Responsibility (Workaholic)- Tiana does much more work than is necessary to buy her own place. This is considered her biggest flaw- she needs to learn to combine work with love and fun.
Relationship (Prince Naveen)- The Prince is a smooth-talking, lazy douchebag, and so Tiana has little time for him. However, should he prove the old cliche of "bad boy does one nice thing = he's actually deep-down a great person who was merely hiding it", things might change.

Total: Abilities: 16 / Skills: 30--15 / Advantages: 2 / Powers: 1 / Defenses: 7 (41)

-Tiana is of course our new Black Disney Princess, and is a bit more flawed than some, but less so than others- her "flaws" are basically impatience and workaholism (compared to the more genuinely flawless Aurora, Belle & others). These ARE character flaws, of course... but compare her to the impulsive & disobedient Ariel, the innocent-to-the-point-of-weepy-insanity Rapunzel, the impulsive & rebellious Merida and others, she comes across as a little bland, especially because EVERY CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE is more flawed & interesting than she is. You coulda gotten away with some of that in the '50s (Cinderella, Aurora & Snow White are pretty flawless as human beings), but nowadays, you need something more. I mean, even Belle was rebellious and a sass-talker.

-This TV Tropes page outlines some of the political headaches that come from making minority characters in fiction- it's also a great example of the double-edged sword that makes many creators not want to bother PERIOD- you've got to avoid the stereotypes (and there are a TON of things that could be perceived as stereotypical), make them positive enough so that people won't complain about a negative example of a race, make them look ethnic but not TOO much (a combination of "make them fit our animation style", "don't make them look like a stereotype", "make them look like an actual member of that race" and "try not to offend anyone"), and try to win over people of ALL races, all at the same time. Makes you realize why most white creators just make mostly-white casts with a Black Best Friend, doesn't it?

-Unfortunately, the more mediocre business of The Princess and the Frog (though it still did well, it made less money than Alvin & The Chipmunks "Squeakwel" that came out around the same time) and the supreme business of Tangled & Brave means that Tiana's doomed to be a bit less popular than most of the Princesses. It's like... Disney's attempts was honorable, but so doomed by PC conventions that they ended up making their least-interesting Princess in eons. But... I go to Disney World and see a huge row of little black girls super-eager to see a Princess the same color as them, and I go "y'know, this movie needed to be made".

-It's easy for a white kid to claim that the race of characters doesn't matter, but imagine growing up where NONE of the characters you see look like you or act like you. It's part of what makes Archie's gay character Kevin Keller a lot more important, and part of why every black actress in Hollywood was fighting for the role of Tiana. Beyonce in particular was allegedly expecting the role simply be GIVEN to her, but it didn't turn out that way.

-Tiana stats up as a more non-combatant Disney Princess, though is quite athletic and resourceful (holding a dozen plates up at once, and even being able to pry open a hunter's hands in Frog Form). As a Frog, she becomes ultra-tiny and generally incapable of combat (at that point, the movie essentially turns into an Adventure Film, travelling from one place to the next with her Adventuring Party).

About the Performer: With a black actress of a certain age, you're gonna see a pretty sad-looking IMDB page. Anika Noni Rose has done some stage stuff, but is largely a "Black Friend" or a character in a "Black Movie"- she was, however, a Tony Award winner for Caroline, Or Change in 2004. Her biggest movie role aside from Tiana is basically "one of the non-Jennifer Hudson characters in Dream Girls".
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Naveen

Post by Jabroniville » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:21 pm

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PRINCE NAVEEN
Played by:
Bruno Campos
Role: Disney Prince, Lazy Gadabout, Rich Idiot
PL 1 (24), PL 3 (24) Defenses
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 2
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Expertise (Singing & Dancing) 5 (+8)
Persuasion 3 (+6, Attractive)

Advantages:
Attractive

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Initiative +2

Defenses:
Dodge +2 (DC 12), Parry +1 (DC 11), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +3

Complications:
Motivation (Money)- Naveen has been cut off from his family fortune due to his uselessness. As such, he needs money to support his lavish lifestyle, and wants to marry Charlotte for her money.
Relationship (Tiana)- Tiana's a bit uptight for him, but of course they fall in love.
Responsibility (Useless)- Naveen was well-educated, but has been slaved over his whole life, and thus has learned no useful skills. In moments of rare self-reflection, he dwells on this.

Total: Abilities: 14 / Skills: 8--4 / Advantages: 1 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 5 (24)

-Prince Naveen is the heavily-flawed lothario type, who sounds like Nestor Carbonnel and generally acts like a douchebag. He's the Prince of "Malbonia", a vaguely African/Latin American Fusion country, whose parents have cut off financially- he just wants to party, but they want him to settle down. As such, he's out for money. Given that he's lazy and selfish, he immediately rubs Tiana the wrong way, as she's a dour workaholic. He's a bit humorous, but the G-Rating means his ladies' man act comes across a little tame. Gaston shoulda shown him how to make it work. Instead, he just kind of comes in, plays his musical instrument, and dances while girls faint in his presence.

About the Performer: Jesus this guy's bio is sad. Literally the only big role he's had in something I've heard of is one of the characters on the failed Christina Applegate vehicle Jesse (1998-2000 on NBC). He was also on ER and Nip/Tuck for a bit. Naveen is his biggest role.

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Re: Jab’s Builds (Enchanted! Giselle! Narissa! Bolt! Princess and the Frog!)

Post by kirinke » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:42 am

Why is it that in most Disney movies, the blondes are always perfect goodies and they're matched by evil brunettes? I have never, ever seen an evil blonde in a Disney princess movie.

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Re: Jab’s Builds (Enchanted! Giselle! Narissa! Bolt! Princess and the Frog!)

Post by Jabroniville » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:11 am

kirinke wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:42 am
Why is it that in most Disney movies, the blondes are always perfect goodies and they're matched by evil brunettes? I have never, ever seen an evil blonde in a Disney princess movie.
That is weird. Hair of Gold; Heart of Gold as a trope, I guess.

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