Which doesn't take away from the point that you're arguing for less justice in this case.FuzzyBoots wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:59 pm Yup. In an ideal system, justice would indeed be objective and impartial. However, there has never been a legal system that has reached that ideal, and it's probably a good thing, because it helps prevent injustices by people being able to use their best judgment. Which yes, does require us to trust humans, which historically doesn't tend to work out well. But, it's like that old joke about Democracy is the worst possible system, but it's better than anything else we've come up with yet.
I pointed out that there is no statistics on the ratio of how many illegals are working what kind of jobs, contributing via identity theft vs suffering from exploitation, because, like as many pointed out in the space of a few minutes, the accuracy of data collected about subjects deliberately hidden from the authorities is, shall we say, "dubious." That's not to say that there's no statistics, though. Like these. Quick Google search.FuzzyBoots wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:59 pmThe question was raised of how much illegal immigrants contribute to the system versus what they get out of it. I was pointing out that they have a net positive contribution, which could change if we either eliminated those immigrants or gave them rights.
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That's what Google's for.FuzzyBoots wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:59 pmHonestly, I feel like we're arguing in circles here. Short of appealing to statistics, which you claim don't exist, we're just arguing on the basis of passion.