L-Space wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:23 pm
BriarThrone wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:00 am
Except that he wasn't. Nothing about the character we saw Mark Hamill playing was authentically Luke Skywalker, which Hamill openly and publicly declared. They needed to shove the fall of Ben Solo and Luke's retreat to Yoda-like hermitage into the script, so we get this awful mess of a backstory that has no respect for any of the characters that came before. All the commentary says that this movie is an effort to break from the bonds of old continuity and move forward. While I do give credit for not being a rehash of Movie n-3, like Episode 7 was, this goes too far in the other direction and rejects everything that made Star Wars great. It has some familiar set pieces and that's it.
I haven't been much of a Star Wars fan in a long time, and even I am a little aggrieved that people think you can draw a straight line between RotJ Luke and Luke as he's presented in the current trilogy. Actual fans are hurt and angry.
I highly disagree. This movie felt like a Star Wars and did it without having to rehash old tropes and everything that happened to Luke felt like a natural reaction for what happened to him.
And you may not have meant it this way, but I'm getting real sick and tired of people acting like they get to decide who is and isn't a Star Wars fan based off whether or not they liked The Last Jedi
. Some real fans liked it and some real fans hated it. Either way the only person who gets to decide whether or not you're a fan of something is you.
And that's fine. Everything we're discussing here is subjective. It's art interpretation. You can disagree with me and not be wrong. Technically. Sort of.
The Last Jedi
had X-Wings and TIE Fighters and Star Destroyers and AN EVEN BIGGER SHIP and a new bomber that has a pretty Star Wars-like design engaging in a couple pretty sweet space battles. It had lightsabers and the old familiar Force powers and some... adequate, I guess... battles with those too. (Adequate-I-guess personal battles are definitely a hallmark of Star Wars.) It had Chewie being Chewie, other familiar faces responding to familiar names, and R2 doing a sweet callback to ANH by playing that original recording of Leia. It had an aspiring Jedi begging a reluctant old hermit for training. If that all adds up to a Star Wars
movie to you, then by all means, enjoy.
To me, the whole movie felt too busy doing nothing but getting lost in itself. It opens with Poe doing Marvel Movie Humor, which is... ugh. Then, yeah, okay, cool space battle, and then we split into three plots:
1) incompetent good guys running from incompetent bad guys, because their ships are all EXACTLY AS FAST AS EACH OTHER, for some reason, and the good guys have no apparent goal except DO AS YOU'RE TOLD I AM THE BOSS OF YOU, for... reasons... which pointlessly spawns -
2) desperate mutiny sidequest that wastes a ton of time and accomplishes nothing except allow DISNEYCORP to lecture me on the evils of capitalism and completely fails to build the romantic subplot they're going to pretend at the end was totally there the whole time.
Then there's 3) Rey begging for training. Which would feel like Star Wars
- because this part they did rip straight off of ESB - if they didn't fuck it all to Hell and back, with Rey spending all her training time telling Luke he's wrong, Yoda showing up to do the "trust your heart" thing that completely contradicts
everything he's ever said ever, etc. We learn that our hero, who has been a larger-than-life ideal to many of us our entire lives, reaches some sort of decision point in a struggle we don't really see or understand, but instead of being the larger-than-life ideal we were all hoping to see, he turns out to be a shitty little coward, for... reasons. Fucking wonderful. See, the movie has other flaws, but this, right here, encapsulates it all to me. Rian Johnson clearly hates Star Wars,
its lore, its legacy, and its fans. This plot point says, loud and clear, "FUCK YOUR HEROES, AND FUCK YOUR FRANCHISE." Regardless of if you think it's a believable human
reaction, it's not what we expect, not what we NEED from Luke Skywalker. Star Wars
was a story about mythic heroes. The Last Jedi
is a DECONSTRUCTION of that.
To me, plot 1 didn't feel like Star Wars,
because it was a slow tension plot in a space opera series. That's certainly new and different, but... is it appropriate? It certainly wasn't effective, because if you're building slow tension, you have to keep it up. You don't cut away to a filler plot. Plot 2 felt like... well, it actually felt more like Star Wars,
because the prequels are part of the canon, and the Finn/Rose casino arc was very
prequel-feeling. Plot 3 was the meat of the story, by far the most evocative of classic Star Wars,
but it used that to REJECT everything people loved about the original trilogy, and... it really hurt fans' feelings, for reasons you really should be able to understand.
I could go on to cover the conclusion, where it all ties back together, but... meh. Instead, I'll just point out that in the Original Trilogy, the Force was something that could act through you as you harmonized with it, through training and great effort. In the modern trilogy, the Force is constantly acting on its own through untrained or barely-trained agents, or just causing things to be so. It creates an entirely different type of story. A more Disney one.