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Re: Hamilton

Post by Jabroniville » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:05 am

Hah- now Hamilton is in the news AGAIN because Vice President-Elect Mike Pence was in the audience, and got booed by the crowd. Then at the curtain call, the actors told the audience not to do that, but also lectured Pence (who's known for going against Gay Rights and promoting Gay Conversion Therapy) to "protect the rights of all Americans". Now Donald Trump is demanding an apology, and people are talking about "Boycotting Hamilton". Which, as it's sold out until next September, is gonna be hella-tricky to pull off.

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Re: Hamilton

Post by BriarThrone » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:11 am

Jabroniville wrote:Hah- now Hamilton is in the news AGAIN because Vice President-Elect Mike Pence was in the audience, and got booed by the crowd. Then at the curtain call, the actors told the audience not to do that, but also lectured Pence (who's known for going against Gay Rights and promoting Gay Conversion Therapy) to "protect the rights of all Americans". Now Donald Trump is demanding an apology, and people are talking about "Boycotting Hamilton". Which, as it's sold out until next September, is gonna be hella-tricky to pull off.
I'm totally boycotting Hamilton!

Which is convenient, because it's a bit out of my way to begin with, and even if I had realistic access, which I don't, I don't think I could justify spending that much for a ticket...

Seriously, though, I think Steve Van Zandt is entirely right on this issue. It's just plain rude to lecture a paying customer from the stage, no matter what you think of their politics.

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Re: Hamilton

Post by FuzzyBoots » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:36 pm

On a side note, Pence issued a statement that he wasn't offended and that this is "what freedom sounds like." Pretty classy, in my opinion.

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Re: Hamilton

Post by Batgirl III » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:36 pm

If you ask me, both Trump and the cast behaved boorishly. I have no issue with the content of their speech, but I don't like the timing. I'm sue that most of the audience — it was a production on Broadway — probably agreed with it. Gov. Pence is a public figure, he's fair game for criticism... But the lecture was delivered to a captive audience who came to see a show, not a political rally.

But do we have to mix the personal with the political all the time?

Whether it's BLM activists ruining people's weekend brunch or Trump supporters making things awkward for everyone at Starbucks this petulant tantrum-throwing needs to stop.

I'm a very politically active person, sometimes to my detriment, but this is just bad form from both sides.
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Re: Hamilton

Post by badpenny » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:51 pm

Wow, it didn't take long.
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Re: Hamilton

Post by catsi563 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:08 am

Ona second side note the Hamilton cast just told President cheeto face where he could stick his apology. :D
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Re: Hamilton

Post by Jabroniville » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:24 am

I get the feeling this is all gonna get worse before it gets better. I mean, in EVERY form of media.

I like how some are already "Trump is only focusing on this to deflect attention from his Trump University lawsuit fallout!" I'm like "... yeah, because Trump is TOTALLY AFRAID of bad publicity." The guy ran the most scandal-ridden campaign in history and STILL WON. He's very much a believer in "All publicity is good publicity".

I'm amused by his terminology of "Safe (...) place", because that's SUCH a line of the far-left movements.

The play, for what it's worth, wears its political heart on its sleeve. It casts "People of Color" into every role (but King George) both as a political statement and to show minorities that American History is still relevant to them. It makes a huge deal out of the main character being an immigrant, the line "Immigrants... We get the job done!" was added specifically over the past couple years' worth of hostility towards immigration, and the hero is all about forming "a strong central government" while a huge antagonist is Thomas Jefferson. The main writer & star of the show (who is no longer there; he's written some songs for Moana, though!) is hugely friendly with Barack Obama, and his replacement as Hamilton is a gay man suffering from AIDS. Never mind that it's a MUSICAL THEATRICAL PRODUCTION on Broadway. It's, uh... a pretty Left-Wing Thing.

But yeah. Let's all have fun with the next four years of every showbiz-related thing getting dragged down in political muckraking :). Granted, backlash against that very thing is part of what helped Trump win.

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Re: Hamilton

Post by Miracle » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:19 pm

“We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,” he said. “We truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.”
The horror of these lines. THE HORROR!

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Post by FuzzyBoots » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:34 pm

Miracle wrote:
“We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,” he said. “We truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.”
The horror of these lines. THE HORROR!
I'll agree that it's a reasoned speech that avoids directly insulting Mike Pence — as I put it to a fellow Shakespeare actor, it's "o'th' windy side of the law" — but it is still a public calling out, one which is fueled as much by rumors as anything else (I still keep seeing the "Pence looted AIDs funds to pay for gay conversion therapy" story despite it having been shown repeatedly that the only person claiming it was the Lieutenant Governor of California and the facts showing otherwise), so I could readily see where Pence could have been offended.

But he wasn't. He took it graciously, with the sort of poise that we usually praise our presidents for. Unlike, of course, the president-elect... but don't get me started on him. :)

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Hamilton Political Debate

Post by Ares » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:32 pm

Carry on.

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Re: Hamilton Political Debate

Post by FuzzyBoots » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:58 pm

^_^ I maintain that things turned out pretty well, all things said. The Hamilton people aired their grievances. Pence seemed unoffended and applauded that they felt free to speak. What more is there to say?

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Re: Hamilton Political Debate

Post by Miracle » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:59 pm

Oh no. I'm in a political debate. On the internet. This will end well. :shock: :o

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Re: Hamilton Political Debate

Post by badpenny » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:17 pm

My hope is that Trump and Pence are excoriated wherever they go, as they have so rightly earned.
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Re: Hamilton Political Debate

Post by L-Space » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:35 pm

FuzzyBoots wrote:^_^ I maintain that things turned out pretty well, all things said. The Hamilton people aired their grievances. Pence seemed unoffended and applauded that they felt free to speak. What more is there to say?
While I don't really agree with Pence's policies or views at all, I do agree that he did handle it fairly well. The thing I don't agree with is the hypocrisy of Trump calling people out for being "rude."
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Re: Hamilton Political Debate

Post by Jabroniville » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:35 pm

Generally, I see it as a public calling-out, on a level that could easily be seen as rude. They basically "Saint Matthewed" him with passive-aggression :). However, Pence was given some guff by the crowd pretty regularly, so it would have been awkward had the cast NOT said anything about it. I mean, I agree with their point. They at least handled it better than what I heard Lady Gaga did the night Hillary lost, all protesting and screaming and whatever.

I imagine had a liberal politician been publicly seen at a Conservative-friendly show, they'd also get a bit of a lecture. At least a good-natured ribbing. I keep imagining Hillary Clinton going to a Ted Nugent concert or something :).

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