Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

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Spider-Verse might be the best Spider-Man movie I've ever seen. It's either this or Spider-Man 2, hard to say. Hoping for a sequel.
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RainOnTheSun wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:41 am Spider-Verse might be the best Spider-Man movie I've ever seen. It's either this or Spider-Man 2, hard to say. Hoping for a sequel.
Rumour is they want an all girl spinoff. Given it's box office numbers though, no guarantees however.
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RainOnTheSun wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:41 am Spider-Verse might be the best Spider-Man movie I've ever seen. It's either this or Spider-Man 2, hard to say. Hoping for a sequel.
Agreed, my youngest and I loved it. Definitely buying it when it comes out and hope that there is a sequel.

Also according to IMDB
Gross USA: $162,890,116, 24 January 2019
Cumulative Worldwide Gross: $326,249,641, 21 January 2019

Whilst not a mega hit the size of the sum of the Pizar/Disney movies, still looks respectable to me.
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Corrigon wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:33 pm Also according to IMDB
Gross USA: $162,890,116, 24 January 2019
Cumulative Worldwide Gross: $326,249,641, 21 January 2019

Whilst not a mega hit the size of the sum of the Pizar/Disney movies, still looks respectable to me.
Financing for films is squirrelly. Tax breaks, subsidies, whether you include DVD sales and foreign markets, whether you include marketing... Best example I know of is Uwe Boll. One of the reasons he kept making movies, despite them being objectively lousy, is that they often made a profit before they were even released. And, of course, studios may also downplay a financially successful movie so that they can claim they took a loss.
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I remember that Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban apparently made a loss for the studio

Budget:$130,000,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend: £23,882,688 (United Kingdom), 6 June 2004, Limited Release
Opening Weekend USA: $93,687,367, 6 June 2004, Wide Release
Gross USA: $249,358,727, 31 October 2004
Cumulative Worldwide Gross: $796,688,549, 10 November 2011
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Corrigon wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:33 pm
RainOnTheSun wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:41 am Spider-Verse might be the best Spider-Man movie I've ever seen. It's either this or Spider-Man 2, hard to say. Hoping for a sequel.
Agreed, my youngest and I loved it. Definitely buying it when it comes out and hope that there is a sequel.

Also according to IMDB
Gross USA: $162,890,116, 24 January 2019
Cumulative Worldwide Gross: $326,249,641, 21 January 2019

Whilst not a mega hit the size of the sum of the Pizar/Disney movies, still looks respectable to me.
Gross means total, without costs. What we need know is how much of that is actual profit. Now according to my sources, if you want to be generous, cut that in half. That's the ACTUAL profits. Again, that's being GENEROUS. The cuts could be WORSE.

Also, the budget, the number they give us (if they give us a number at all) is the COST of the movie. NOT the cost of the movie and MARKETING. Again, being generous, you need to add 50% more. It's often more than that. But let's nice, and say it's half. So the REAL cost of Spiderverse was 145m.

And cutting the worldwide (At Jan 21st.) gross in HALF (again, being generous...) then we're looking at 161m gain. So it made about 16m profit. Not the 3x they want and make it consider a blockbuster franchise.

I need to stress, the budget numbers are there to make it look GOOD for the real customers, the INVESTORS. They often don't count in things such as RESHOOTS, much less Marketing.

In the end, we're being fed lies most of the time.
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As you say, most figures, including the ones you present, are guesses. And as I noted, film financing is convoluted, intentionally so so that the companies can shake the narrative of how successful or not successful their film is.

*shrug* Ultimately, it was a good film to my eyes, and it seems they not only made money on it, but enough to get a sequel financed, so I'm happy.
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Chris Brady wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:00 pm In the end, we're being fed lies most of the time.
Certainly by you.
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Chris Brady wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:00 pm In the end, we're being fed lies most of the time.
Davies wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:58 am Certainly by you.
Okay, official Mod Voice time. I'm quoting both of both of you because I want both of you to be aware of what I have to say, and I want it to be public for everyone.

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Ares wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:38 amChris: To my knowledge, you haven't directly made any personal attacks against anyone here, which I appreciate. You do, however, have a tendency to word your posts in a way that comes off as angry and confrontational. As much as I appreciate people sticking to the letter of the law, I don't want any antagonism here, unintentional or otherwise. A little self-awareness can go a long way.
My apologies, I am not trying to be antagonistic. I'm relaying facts as I've had them related by people I know in the various industries. I apologize if Davies thinks I'm attacking him personally, but again, these are stated facts.

I personally believe in attacking the argument, not the person. If it's wrong I will point it out. I will try to soften my language, but I'm not sure I can control how others view the 'tone'.
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