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New Death of Superman animated film.

Post by Ares » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:02 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2sqsGbFzvg&t=53s

I have to admit, I'm kind of torn about this. On the one hand, this looks like it's actually trying to do justice to the original Death of Superman story, really explore the character, set up his relationship with the universe around him, and basically tell a good story.

It looks like Nu-Shazam isn't in the movie, which is a plus. I hate the way these movies presented the character in Justice League movies, but I always felt that if Captain Marvel had backed Superman up during Doomsday's initial appearance, Superman wouldn't have died. He would have had the backing of a magically powered hero who was his physical equal, and together they would have won. If Nu-Shazam would have appeared in this movie, you just know he would have gotten his butt kicked to make Superman look better.

On the other hand, it is still the Nu-52 variants of the characters, which puts me off a little.

More than that, it feels weird having the classic Justice League be a part of this story, since one reason I felt the Death of Superman worked in the comics was that we had a second-string Justice League at the time. I've always thought that if we had an A-list League backing Superman up, then they would have won. To me, ultimately Doomsday is just a brute who's just enough above Superman that Superman will lose unless he goes all out and basically does suicide attacks on him. If you have an A-List team of League members supporting Superman and they all lose, leaving Superman to fight alone, then it goes back to one of my pet peeves about Superman being so far above the rest of the League that they're ultimately irrelevant. The only way it would work would be if they made it clear that the League weakened Doomsday enough that Superman could win at the cost of his lie, as opposed to Doomsday getting stronger as the fight progresses, with the League essentially making Doomsday enough of a threat to kill Superman.

Also, the idea of Doomsday being a greater threat than Darkseid is just silly.

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Post by Ken » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:28 pm

Jesus. Has remake fever even hit the DC Animation people now? One of the first animated movies the studio did was "Superman/Doomsday". Granted, that was 11 years ago, in 2007.

And the original Superman Doomsday story wasn't all that great in the first place. Why do they have to keep revisiting this one fair-to-middlin' story.
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Post by bsdigitalq » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:37 pm

Ares wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:02 pm
Also, the idea of Doomsday being a greater threat than Darkseid is just silly.
Considering that the JLW version of Darkseid was more or less a giant monster, I can buy it for this setting. :P

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Re: New Death of Superman animated film.

Post by Ares » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:10 pm

Ken wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:28 pm
And the original Superman Doomsday story wasn't all that great in the first place. Why do they have to keep revisiting this one fair-to-middlin' story.
It was one of the few comic book stories to receive national attention, and was a big deal to even non-comic readers. That by itself means that any Death of Superman works is going to receive some kind of attention and recognition. Since it also isn't a very complicated story (monster shows up, fights heroes, Superman and Doomsday eventually kill each other), the writers can also add whatever story they want around it with little trouble, giving them some creative freedom.

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Re: New Death of Superman animated film.

Post by Ares » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:12 pm

bsdigitalq wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:37 pm
Ares wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:02 pm
Also, the idea of Doomsday being a greater threat than Darkseid is just silly.
Considering that the JLW version of Darkseid was more or less a giant monster, I can buy it for this setting. :P
Yeah, in exchange for making Darkseid the kind of physical threat he should be, they completely got rid of his entire schemer personality.

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Post by bsdigitalq » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:21 pm

Ares wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:12 pm
Yeah, in exchange for making Darkseid the kind of physical threat he should be, they completely got rid of his entire schemer personality.
As much as I did genuinely enjoy JLW, I could not take "Grunting King Kong Darkseid" seriously, especially once he was blinded and proceeded to start crawling around superfast on all fours. I kept imagining that it wasn't Darkseid, but a giant, mutated cousin of Zoidberg the League were fighting at that point.

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Re: New Death of Superman animated film.

Post by Ares » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:25 pm

bsdigitalq wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:21 pm
Ares wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:12 pm
Yeah, in exchange for making Darkseid the kind of physical threat he should be, they completely got rid of his entire schemer personality.
As much as I did genuinely enjoy JLW, I could not take "Grunting King Kong Darkseid" seriously, especially once he was blinded and proceeded to start crawling around superfast on all fours. I kept imagining that it wasn't Darkseid, but a giant, mutated cousin of Zoidberg the League were fighting at that point.
I personally couldn't stand Justice League War. Batman, Cyborg and the Flash were basically the only people acting remotely in character. Superman and Wonder Woman were turned into brain-dead, fight happy jocks. Hal Jordan went from cocky to suicidally stupid. And Billy Batson somehow managed to be both a jerk-ass, street smart thief, and a dumbass, unfunny superhero. The only thing I liked from Nu-Shazam was him convincing Cyborg that he was both still human and a hero. Apart from that, Bruce, Barry and Vic were the only characters who felt even marginally in character.

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Post by bsdigitalq » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:29 pm

Ares wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:25 pm
I personally couldn't stand Justice League War. Batman, Cyborg and the Flash were basically the only people acting remotely in character. Superman and Wonder Woman were turned into brain-dead, fight happy jocks. Hal Jordan went from cocky to suicidally stupid. And Billy Batson somehow managed to be both a jerk-ass, street smart thief, and a dumbass, unfunny superhero. The only thing I liked from Nu-Shazam was him convincing Cyborg that he was both still human and a hero. Apart from that, Bruce, Barry and Vic were the only characters who felt even marginally in character.
I don't know why I liked JLW. I just did. I had that "strong enjoyment" feeling at the end that I get whenever I genuinely like a film. And I got it again upon subsequent viewings. Not sure why, but I do really like that movie.

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Re: New Death of Superman animated film.

Post by Davies » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:25 pm

Ken wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:28 pm
And the original Superman Doomsday story wasn't all that great in the first place. Why do they have to keep revisiting this one fair-to-middlin' story.
Because it sold insanely well.

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