Echoes of the Multiverse

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:19 pm Finally watched this the other night.

It was good. It didn't rock my world or anything but it was a good movie.

M4C8 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:29 pm . The first was Spider-Man: Homecoming which I felt really disappointed by yet I don't exactly know why, I loved this version of Spidey in Civil War.

Oh and the scenes at the waterfall where they do that shoulder shrug dance just made me laugh, I suppose that somehow makes me racist but I couldn't help it.

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:40 pm

M4C8 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:29 pm The first was Spider-Man: Homecoming which I felt really disappointed by yet I don't exactly know why, I loved this version of Spidey in Civil War.

HalloweenJack echoes thy sentiment

Batgirl III wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:50 pm

Oh and the scenes at the waterfall where they do that shoulder shrug dance just made me laugh, I suppose that somehow makes me racist but I couldn't help it.

Two words, M4C8: Morris Dancing.

Every culture has their own quirks that look silly to others.

Ares wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:14 pm After watching this movie again, I had kind of a revelation about Erik Killmonger.

Erik is someone with a hard life, someone who was left an orphan by the people who should have been family. But in spite of that, he was able to rise through the ranks of the US military, and become one of the most dangerous men on the planet. He could have easily become a high end SHIELD Agent and hero along the lines of the Black Widow, but he instead chose to focus on his revenge.

He needed something to hate.

So he hated Wakanda for leaving him an orphan and depriving him of his birthright. He hated the rest of the world for not bringing Wakanda to task. And he decided to hate white people, using the narrative of slavery as an excuse to blame them for his problems and as a rallying cry for others of similar mindset.

And this is despite his own country abandoning him here, and the United States apparently giving him the opportunity to become one of the greatest soldiers alive.

Intentional or not, Erik is basically a perfect embodiment of the victim mentality. He peppers his rhetoric with talk about slavery, of the horrors the white men have inflicted on "his people", when the people that hurt him the most were "his people". And instead of appreciating the life he was able to make for himself, he hates the country he was abandoned in just as much as the country that abandoned him. The best thing I can say about him is that he hated Wakanda just as much, whereas a lot of similar folks refuse to acknowledge how Africa sold its own people into slavery.

And what is the ultimate goal of the victim narrative? The person who blames everyone else for his problems? They want to see most of the world burn and rule over what's left.

I can't imagine this was done on purpose, but that whole thing just really "clicked" for me.

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:15 pm

Ares wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:14 pm After watching this movie again, I had kind of a revelation about Erik Killmonger.

Erik is someone with a hard life, someone who was left an orphan by the people who should have been family. But in spite of that, he was able to rise through the ranks of the US military, and become one of the most dangerous men on the planet. He could have easily become a high end SHIELD Agent and hero along the lines of the Black Widow, but he instead chose to focus on his revenge.

He needed something to hate.

So he hated Wakanda for leaving him an orphan and depriving him of his birthright. He hated the rest of the world for not bringing Wakanda to task. And he decided to hate white people, using the narrative of slavery as an excuse to blame them for his problems and as a rallying cry for others of similar mindset.

And this is despite his own country abandoning him here, and the United States apparently giving him the opportunity to become one of the greatest soldiers alive.

Intentional or not, Erik is basically a perfect embodiment of the victim mentality. He peppers his rhetoric with talk about slavery, of the horrors the white men have inflicted on "his people", when the people that hurt him the most were "his people". And instead of appreciating the life he was able to make for himself, he hates the country he was abandoned in just as much as the country that abandoned him. The best thing I can say about him is that he hated Wakanda just as much, whereas a lot of similar folks refuse to acknowledge how Africa sold its own people into slavery.

And what is the ultimate goal of the victim narrative? The person who blames everyone else for his problems? They want to see most of the world burn and rule over what's left.

I can't imagine this was done on purpose, but that whole thing just really "clicked" for me.

Did I mention that Jelly considered Killmonger the hero of the movie?

Batgirl III wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:16 pm The hero is clearly M’Baku. He’s also one of the best depictions of Lawful Good I’ve yet seen in a MCU movie.

Batgirl III wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:16 pm The hero is clearly M’Baku. He’s also one of the best depictions of Lawful Good I’ve yet seen in a MCU movie.