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Spider-Man - Far From Home - Trailer

Post by Ares » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:45 pm

So we have our first official trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYtuKyMtY8

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Re: Spider-Man - Far From Home - Trailer

Post by M4C8 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:53 pm

It definitely looks more fun than Homecoming. I've been watching some of the reaction videos to the trailer and am surprised by just how many Mysterio fans there are out there (Kevin Smith being one of them)
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Post by HalloweenJack » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:10 pm

I'll probably wait on DVD/bluray

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Post by Chris Brady » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:18 am

Given how disappointed I was with Iron Man and his Side-Kick, Whiny Spider Boy, I'll give this a miss.

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Re: Spider-Man - Far From Home - Trailer

Post by Ares » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:21 pm

Peter's more deferential attitude towards Tony makes a bit of sense in this continuity, where Tony has 8 years more experience and has likely been a role-model for Peter during that time. Contrast with the comics where Peter and Tony started superheroing at about the same time and Peter was already in his late teens, and it was Captain America he tended to look up to more than Tony.

Honestly, the thing that annoys me most about the MCU Spider-Man films is Michelle. Her whole poser edgelord / rebel-without-a-clue / antagonistic-towards-the-boy-she-has-a-crush-on thing was suppose to be endearing, but it honestly just got on my nerves. Comments like the Washington Monument being built by slaves (for which there's no apparent historical evidence) didn't help things.

But the end reveal that she's suppose to be this settings version of Mary Jane Watson ala "MJ"? Hard pass on that one.

*EDIT* The amount of tech in Peter's suit was also a little overboard at times, at least in his own movie. The Civil War capabilities of his suit were fine, since it was basically just web-shooters and eye-lenses that made the mask more expressive. In his own film, having a suit AI, a remote spider-drone, 50 different webshooter settings, image recorders, etc. were all a bit much. The underarm webbing glider wings were okay, but the entire suit was closer to something I'd expect Batman to have over Spider-Man. The fact that it's Peter using a suit Tony gave him instead of being tech he developed sort of undermines Peter's own intelligence. I'd honestly have prefered it Tony just gave Peter access to a lab so he had believable resources to make his own Spidey gear.

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Post by FuzzyBoots » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:40 pm

Yeah. I honestly was expecting that to backfire more in the film. I mean, they clearly showed that Peter was in trouble from taking the training wheels off, but there's a reason why soldiers don't carry every possible piece of equipment and technological marvel. Every item added is additional weight, additional distraction, additional requirements, and if it's integrated into the setup, if it dies, it's dead weight. And, of course, as indicated in the Civil War comics (and, to some degree, Homecoming), one of the risks is that it's more vulnerable to compromise, as when Stark just up and disabled the suit (and probably could have made it escort Peter right back home whether he wanted to or not).

Of course, given he's up against Mysterio, that might be an upcoming theme, compromised systems feeding him bad data to create Mysterio's illusions, for example.

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Re: Spider-Man - Far From Home - Trailer

Post by Ares » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:08 pm

Given the "taser webbing", I wouldn't be surprised if Tony could just have the AI in Tony's suit shut him down by electrocuting the heck out of him.

I'm curious how Mysterio is going to play out here, as well as the apparent inclusion of Hydroman, Sandman, Moltenman and maybe even Electro. Going by his comics MO, Mysterio would be trying to pull a Syndrome where he creates fake menaces and pretends to be a superhero in order to achieve fame and wealth. But they might subvert that with him initially trying to be heroic and becoming disillusioned with it, or something similar.

In any case, I'm curious to how that all plays out.

I actually like how they're portraying Flash so far. From his perspective he's actually got legit reasons to dislike Peter, and he never gets into cartoonishly violent bullying they way he did in Spider-Man 1 or Amazing Spider-Man 1.

Unfortunately it looks like "MJ" will be more of the same. "What, I have value now that you think I'm pretty?" :roll:

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Post by M4C8 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:16 pm

Ares wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:08 pm
Given the "taser webbing", I wouldn't be surprised if Tony could just have the AI in Tony's suit shut him down by electrocuting the heck out of him.

I'm curious how Mysterio is going to play out here, as well as the apparent inclusion of Hydroman, Sandman, Moltenman and maybe even Electro. Going by his comics MO, Mysterio would be trying to pull a Syndrome where he creates fake menaces and pretends to be a superhero in order to achieve fame and wealth. But they might subvert that with him initially trying to be heroic and becoming disillusioned with it, or something similar.

In any case, I'm curious to how that all plays out.

I actually like how they're portraying Flash so far. From his perspective he's actually got legit reasons to dislike Peter, and he never gets into cartoonishly violent bullying they way he did in Spider-Man 1 or Amazing Spider-Man 1.

Unfortunately it looks like "MJ" will be more of the same. "What, I have value now that you think I'm pretty?" :roll:
Honestly I'm still a bit pissed off that they used the 'Flash' name, the comic book Flash has a great story that could've been incorporated into the movies over time, while I understand the 'we're showing bullying in a different form' idea they should have just created a new character to do so.
As for 'MJ', when the fans asked about Mary-Jane after the cast was first announced they were outright told that Michelle wasn't going to be Mary-Jane, if there's genuinely no plan to introduce the 'real' Mary-Jane then I feel that was unfairly deceitful.

I've noticed that (even more so than the previous movies) Pete's danger-sense is almost non-existent. The other noticeable absence so far is any real acknowledgement just how intelligent Peter is.
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Re: Spider-Man - Far From Home - Trailer

Post by Ares » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:30 pm

M4C8 wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:16 pm
Ares wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:08 pm
Given the "taser webbing", I wouldn't be surprised if Tony could just have the AI in Tony's suit shut him down by electrocuting the heck out of him.

I'm curious how Mysterio is going to play out here, as well as the apparent inclusion of Hydroman, Sandman, Moltenman and maybe even Electro. Going by his comics MO, Mysterio would be trying to pull a Syndrome where he creates fake menaces and pretends to be a superhero in order to achieve fame and wealth. But they might subvert that with him initially trying to be heroic and becoming disillusioned with it, or something similar.

In any case, I'm curious to how that all plays out.

I actually like how they're portraying Flash so far. From his perspective he's actually got legit reasons to dislike Peter, and he never gets into cartoonishly violent bullying they way he did in Spider-Man 1 or Amazing Spider-Man 1.

Unfortunately it looks like "MJ" will be more of the same. "What, I have value now that you think I'm pretty?" :roll:
Honestly I'm still a bit pissed off that they used the 'Flash' name, the comic book Flash has a great story that could've been incorporated into the movies over time, while I understand the 'we're showing bullying in a different form' idea they should have just created a new character to do so.
Someone actually did a little overview of the highschool era for Spider-Man, and interestingly enough, most of Flash's bullying was either non-violent pranks or mostly verbal jabs, with very little actual violence between him and Peter. That boxing match they had was about as violent as it ever got.

They also pointed out that Flash actually spent half his time inviting Peter to parties and the like, trying to get him to be part of the gang, but since Peter was often busy with Spider-Man stuff, it looked like Peter was snubbing Flash, creating the perception that he was kind of stuck up and thought he was better than everyone. And since Peter never really made any excuses or tried to explain himself, the perception pretty much stuck until college. And in college, where Peter was really allowed to be his own man, he and Flash actually buried the hatchet and became friends.

So how they're portraying Flash actually feels pretty faithful to the comics so far.
As for 'MJ', when the fans asked about Mary-Jane after the cast was first announced they were outright told that Michelle wasn't going to be Mary-Jane, if there's genuinely no plan to introduce the 'real' Mary-Jane then I feel that was unfairly deceitful.
I'm 95% sure that there aren't any plans to introduce the classic Mary Jane at this point. It'd just be too awkward to have Peter go to college and meet this new red head and be all "Really? Wow, I knew another MJ back in highschool". It's doable but but unlikely, and thus that previous statement they made feels somewhat disingenuous.
I've noticed that (even more so than the previous movies) Pete's danger-sense is almost non-existent. The other noticeable absence so far is any real acknowledgement just how intelligent Peter is.
Ironically, we've gotten more signs of Peter's intelligence and Spider-Sense from Civil War and Infinity War. In Civil War they made it clear that Peter designed his webbing and web-shooters himself, and his Spider Sense clearly warned him several times, such as when Antman was about to attack him or when Bucky threw part of a sign at him. And in Infinity War, his Spider-Sense warned him about the Guardian's attack, and he was the one who came up with the plan to take out Maw.

So he oddly comes off less capable in his own film than in the team up films.

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Post by catsi563 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:53 am

Honestly, the thing that annoys me most about the MCU Spider-Man films is Michelle. Her whole poser edgelord / rebel-without-a-clue / antagonistic-towards-the-boy-she-has-a-crush-on thing was suppose to be endearing, but it honestly just got on my nerves. Comments like the Washington Monument being built by slaves (for which there's no apparent historical evidence) didn't help things.
yeah that was my hard problem with the last film as well. Not Zendaya herself mind you but the character she was playing was just plain unlikeable to me and NOT Mary Jane. All told though this movie looks like a lot of fun and ill see it when it comes out.
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Post by Arkrite » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:05 am

Ares wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:08 pm
Unfortunately it looks like "MJ" will be more of the same. "What, I have value now that you think I'm pretty?" :roll:
Yeah, it's amazing how all my good will for the movie died at that line.
Still if it's like the previous movie she'll be a small part of it I can hopefully ignore. :roll:

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Post by FuzzyBoots » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:49 am

Arkrite wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:05 am
Ares wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:08 pm
Unfortunately it looks like "MJ" will be more of the same. "What, I have value now that you think I'm pretty?" :roll:
Yeah, it's amazing how all my good will for the movie died at that line.
Still if it's like the previous movie she'll be a small part of it I can hopefully ignore. :roll:
The "value now that you think I'm pretty" sounds like it's a quote of some sort, kind of sounds like a philosophy one such as how Aristotle indicated that the beauty of an item was an outward show of its value. *shrug* Time will tell, but it may have a different meaning and/or make more sense in the context of the movie, with her quoting it back at him to indicate that she's been paying attention, and knows he's bright enough to have been doing the same.

And, of course, because some people flirt by keeping the other person off-balance.

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Post by M4C8 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:41 pm

Ares wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:30 pm
M4C8 wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:16 pm
Ares wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:08 pm
Given the "taser webbing", I wouldn't be surprised if Tony could just have the AI in Tony's suit shut him down by electrocuting the heck out of him.

I'm curious how Mysterio is going to play out here, as well as the apparent inclusion of Hydroman, Sandman, Moltenman and maybe even Electro. Going by his comics MO, Mysterio would be trying to pull a Syndrome where he creates fake menaces and pretends to be a superhero in order to achieve fame and wealth. But they might subvert that with him initially trying to be heroic and becoming disillusioned with it, or something similar.

In any case, I'm curious to how that all plays out.

I actually like how they're portraying Flash so far. From his perspective he's actually got legit reasons to dislike Peter, and he never gets into cartoonishly violent bullying they way he did in Spider-Man 1 or Amazing Spider-Man 1.

Unfortunately it looks like "MJ" will be more of the same. "What, I have value now that you think I'm pretty?" :roll:
Honestly I'm still a bit pissed off that they used the 'Flash' name, the comic book Flash has a great story that could've been incorporated into the movies over time, while I understand the 'we're showing bullying in a different form' idea they should have just created a new character to do so.
Someone actually did a little overview of the highschool era for Spider-Man, and interestingly enough, most of Flash's bullying was either non-violent pranks or mostly verbal jabs, with very little actual violence between him and Peter. That boxing match they had was about as violent as it ever got.

They also pointed out that Flash actually spent half his time inviting Peter to parties and the like, trying to get him to be part of the gang, but since Peter was often busy with Spider-Man stuff, it looked like Peter was snubbing Flash, creating the perception that he was kind of stuck up and thought he was better than everyone. And since Peter never really made any excuses or tried to explain himself, the perception pretty much stuck until college. And in college, where Peter was really allowed to be his own man, he and Flash actually buried the hatchet and became friends.

So how they're portraying Flash actually feels pretty faithful to the comics so far.
As for 'MJ', when the fans asked about Mary-Jane after the cast was first announced they were outright told that Michelle wasn't going to be Mary-Jane, if there's genuinely no plan to introduce the 'real' Mary-Jane then I feel that was unfairly deceitful.
I'm 95% sure that there aren't any plans to introduce the classic Mary Jane at this point. It'd just be too awkward to have Peter go to college and meet this new red head and be all "Really? Wow, I knew another MJ back in highschool". It's doable but but unlikely, and thus that previous statement they made feels somewhat disingenuous.
I've noticed that (even more so than the previous movies) Pete's danger-sense is almost non-existent. The other noticeable absence so far is any real acknowledgement just how intelligent Peter is.
Ironically, we've gotten more signs of Peter's intelligence and Spider-Sense from Civil War and Infinity War. In Civil War they made it clear that Peter designed his webbing and web-shooters himself, and his Spider Sense clearly warned him several times, such as when Antman was about to attack him or when Bucky threw part of a sign at him. And in Infinity War, his Spider-Sense warned him about the Guardian's attack, and he was the one who came up with the plan to take out Maw.

So he oddly comes off less capable in his own film than in the team up films.
I still think it's a waste of a potentially great story of character growth.
At first he's the school jock/bully who torments Pete (despite being Spidey's biggest fan), also the physical aspect of the character is important because we readers know Pete could effortlessly drop Flash and is forever holding back because it would 'out' him, you just don't get the same
feeling of inner turmoil on Pete's part. We later find out he's acting out because his father is an abusive alcoholic and later he and Pete eventually becomes close friends. Granted this could be what the plan is for this new Flash.

However that's only half of the Flash story, I can't see the new one joining the army an eventually becoming becoming a genuine war hero. This also means ignoring his battle with disability after losing his legs in combat, being given a second chance by becoming the host to the Venom symbiote and becoming a super-hero in his own right, not just a hero on Earth but out in space also. I just can't see this skinny entitled kid as the Flash we've all grown up with.
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Post by FuzzyBoots » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:55 pm

M4C8 wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:41 pm
I still think it's a waste of a potentially great story of character growth.
At first he's the school jock/bully who torments Pete (despite being Spidey's biggest fan), also the physical aspect of the character is important because we readers know Pete could effortlessly drop Flash and is forever holding back because it would 'out' him, you just don't get the same
feeling of inner turmoil on Pete's part. We later find out he's acting out because his father is an abusive alcoholic and later he and Pete eventually becomes close friends. Granted this could be what the plan is for this new Flash.

However that's only half of the Flash story, I can't see the new one joining the army an eventually becoming becoming a genuine war hero. This also means ignoring his battle with disability after losing his legs in combat, being given a second chance by becoming the host to the Venom symbiote and becoming a super-hero in his own right, not just a hero on Earth but out in space also. I just can't see this skinny entitled kid as the Flash we've all grown up with.
Which, no offense intended, I think is a good thing. One of the issues with superhero reboots (and how many of them has Spider-Man had just in the last decade and a half?) is that they tend to keep rehashing the same material. Just look at how many times we've been treated to Spider-Man's origin story. Part of the appeal of M.J. in the original comics was that she was a genuine surprise to the fans, having been hinted for months to be homely, and foisted off onto Peter as a favor by Aunt May. Doing the archetype of the character of Flash in a different way is perfectly fine by me.

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Post by M4C8 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:10 pm

FuzzyBoots wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:55 pm
M4C8 wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:41 pm
I still think it's a waste of a potentially great story of character growth.
At first he's the school jock/bully who torments Pete (despite being Spidey's biggest fan), also the physical aspect of the character is important because we readers know Pete could effortlessly drop Flash and is forever holding back because it would 'out' him, you just don't get the same
feeling of inner turmoil on Pete's part. We later find out he's acting out because his father is an abusive alcoholic and later he and Pete eventually becomes close friends. Granted this could be what the plan is for this new Flash.

However that's only half of the Flash story, I can't see the new one joining the army an eventually becoming becoming a genuine war hero. This also means ignoring his battle with disability after losing his legs in combat, being given a second chance by becoming the host to the Venom symbiote and becoming a super-hero in his own right, not just a hero on Earth but out in space also. I just can't see this skinny entitled kid as the Flash we've all grown up with.
Which, no offense intended, I think is a good thing. One of the issues with superhero reboots (and how many of them has Spider-Man had just in the last decade and a half?) is that they tend to keep rehashing the same material. Just look at how many times we've been treated to Spider-Man's origin story. Part of the appeal of M.J. in the original comics was that she was a genuine surprise to the fans, having been hinted for months to be homely, and foisted off onto Peter as a favor by Aunt May. Doing the archetype of the character of Flash in a different way is perfectly fine by me.
My only issue really is that they should have just used a different name, you'd think they'd know how obsessive and protective some of us fans can be.

I think I've stated on these boards before that I'm against any change to any already established character whatever that change may be (race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality etc.) especially if said character has an existing fan-base and/or their creator is no longer able to give permission. If you want to feature someone of a specific racial background or gender then either use a character of that background that already exists or create a new character, changing existing character is completely unnecessary.

I personally don't want to see a black James Bond or Human Torch anymore than I want to see white Blade or Lando Calrissian, to me that's equally ridiculous.
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