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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by HalloweenJack » Sun May 06, 2018 12:11 am

have we mentioned Anno Dracula?

I'd heard of it and then a frat brother of mine gave me a copy of it like 12 years ago and I honestly loved it

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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by MacynSnow » Sun May 06, 2018 12:59 am

HalloweenJack wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 12:11 am
have we mentioned Anno Dracula?

I'd heard of it and then a frat brother of mine gave me a copy of it like 12 years ago and I honestly loved it
What's it about?Not familiar....

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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by Batgirl III » Sun May 06, 2018 1:13 am

Is that the Sherlock Holmes / Dracula crossover?
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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by Davies » Sun May 06, 2018 1:40 am

Not even remotely, Sherlock Holmes is only mentioned and plays no role in the tale. Anno Dracula is Kim Newman's rather epic tale of a Victorian Britain where Dracula defeated those who would hunt him and went on to marry Queen Victoria, dragging vampires (from John Polidori's Lord Ruthven to Anne Rice's Lestat) into the public eye. That's the background -- the foreground is the hunt for Jack the Ripper. There've been a number of sequels following this divergent timeline up into the 1990s, which are really only interesting if you find the historical periods where they're set to be interesting and can put up with Mr. Newman's sometimes crankish insistence on certain fictions and historical interpretations. (He really really really hates Buffy, f'rinstance.)

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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by Woodclaw » Sun May 06, 2018 9:01 am

Batgirl III wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 1:13 am
Is that the Sherlock Holmes / Dracula crossover?
Going by my Google-fu, there are at least 5 different stories based on this crossover.

Two novels and a short story
  • "Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula; or, The Adventures of the Sanguinary Count" by Loren D. Estleman; which was written as happening during the events of Bram Stoker's original novel, with Holmes and Watson actually helping Van Helsing from behind the scenes.
  • "The Holmes-Dracula File" by Fred Saberhagen; a rather weird attempt at explaning the fabled Giant Rat of Sumatra case mentioned by Holmes. The premise is that someone is using Dracula's blood to infect London and it's up to the vampire and the detective to stop him.
  • "Red Sunset" a short story by Bob Madisen, collected in the anthology book "Gaslight Grimoire: Fantastic Tales of Sherlock Holmes"; which shows an elder Sherlock Holmes that moved to the U.S. at the beginning of WW2 teaming up with a ahrdboiled colleague to stop Dracula (seriously WTF).
And two comics.
  • "Scarlet in Gaslight", a 1987 Eisner Award nominated comic written by Martin Powell; where Moriarty coherce Dracula into killing Holmes.
  • "Victorian Undead II: Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula" (a sequel to a Holmes vs Zombies story); which is meant as a replacement for the original Stoker's novel.
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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by MacynSnow » Sun May 06, 2018 2:50 pm

Woodclaw wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 9:01 am
Batgirl III wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 1:13 am
Is that the Sherlock Holmes / Dracula crossover?
Going by my Google-fu, there are at least 5 different stories based on this crossover.

Two novels and a short story
  • "Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula; or, The Adventures of the Sanguinary Count" by Loren D. Estleman; which was written as happening during the events of Bram Stoker's original novel, with Holmes and Watson actually helping Van Helsing from behind the scenes.
  • "The Holmes-Dracula File" by Fred Saberhagen; a rather weird attempt at explaning the fabled Giant Rat of Sumatra case mentioned by Holmes. The premise is that someone is using Dracula's blood to infect London and it's up to the vampire and the detective to stop him.
  • "Red Sunset" a short story by Bob Madisen, collected in the anthology book "Gaslight Grimoire: Fantastic Tales of Sherlock Holmes"; which shows an elder Sherlock Holmes that moved to the U.S. at the beginning of WW2 teaming up with a ahrdboiled colleague to stop Dracula (seriously WTF).
And two comics.
  • "Scarlet in Gaslight", a 1987 Eisner Award nominated comic written by Martin Powell; where Moriarty coherce Dracula into killing Holmes.
  • "Victorian Undead II: Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula" (a sequel to a Holmes vs Zombies story); which is meant as a replacement for the original Stoker's novel.
Wait,someone actually did a Holmes vs Zombies story?! Tell me more of this wonderful combination of 2 of my favorite things.....:D

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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by Davies » Sun May 06, 2018 7:00 pm

Woodclaw wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 9:01 am
"Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula; or, The Adventures of the Sanguinary Count" by Loren D. Estleman; which was written as happening during the events of Bram Stoker's original novel, with Holmes and Watson actually helping Van Helsing from behind the scenes.
I can heartily recommend this novel, it does everything right as well as giving Watson an incredible Crowning Moment of Awesome in confrontation with Dracula.
Woodclaw wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 9:01 am
"The Holmes-Dracula File" by Fred Saberhagen; a rather weird attempt at explaning the fabled Giant Rat of Sumatra case mentioned by Holmes. The premise is that someone is using Dracula's blood to infect London and it's up to the vampire and the detective to stop him.
Not ... bad, not really recommended either -- it's a sequel to Saberhagen's The Dracula Tapes which retells Stoker's novel from a nicer, "misunderstood" Dracula's perspective. It has many sequels, including a second one co-starring Holmes and Watson, Séance for a Vampire, which I actively discourage people from reading.

Haven't read the rest.

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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by HalloweenJack » Sun May 06, 2018 10:24 pm

Davies wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 1:40 am
Not even remotely, Sherlock Holmes is only mentioned and plays no role in the tale. Anno Dracula is Kim Newman's rather epic tale of a Victorian Britain where Dracula defeated those who would hunt him and went on to marry Queen Victoria, dragging vampires (from John Polidori's Lord Ruthven to Anne Rice's Lestat) into the public eye. That's the background -- the foreground is the hunt for Jack the Ripper. There've been a number of sequels following this divergent timeline up into the 1990s, which are really only interesting if you find the historical periods where they're set to be interesting and can put up with Mr. Newman's sometimes crankish insistence on certain fictions and historical interpretations. (He really really really hates Buffy, f'rinstance.)
There are also references to Graf Orlok from Nosferatu, a hopping vampire from a Chinese horror/kung fu movie called Mr. Vampire, Martin (from the George Romero movie not the Fox Sitcom) and so forth.

I've never read the sequels though one of the main characters is the Connery version of Bond who he calls Hamish (a more Scot version of James).

I can say I really enjoyed the original book.

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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by Woodclaw » Mon May 07, 2018 8:24 am

MacynSnow wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 2:50 pm
Wait,someone actually did a Holmes vs Zombies story?! Tell me more of this wonderful combination of 2 of my favorite things.....:D
Yes, it was a Wildstorm comic titled Victorian Undead, the first issue was zombie based.
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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by MacynSnow » Mon May 07, 2018 2:08 pm

Woodclaw wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 8:24 am
MacynSnow wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 2:50 pm
Wait,someone actually did a Holmes vs Zombies story?! Tell me more of this wonderful combination of 2 of my favorite things.....:D
Yes, it was a Wildstorm comic titled Victorian Undead, the first issue was zombie based.
was it any good(i have high criteria for Holmes&Zombie stuff,so...)?

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Re: Your Favorite Crossovers - Book and Comic edition

Post by Woodclaw » Mon May 07, 2018 3:10 pm

MacynSnow wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 2:08 pm
Woodclaw wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 8:24 am
MacynSnow wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 2:50 pm
Wait,someone actually did a Holmes vs Zombies story?! Tell me more of this wonderful combination of 2 of my favorite things.....:D
Yes, it was a Wildstorm comic titled Victorian Undead, the first issue was zombie based.
was it any good(i have high criteria for Holmes&Zombie stuff,so...)?
I've never read it.
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