Look wise, I'd say those two are my overall favorites. The second one is just fan-service-y enough to pay tribute to the classic outfit while being moderately more sensible, missing just that iconic red gem to complete the look. Maybe some hybrid of both images.Jabroniville wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:59 am
STARFIRE IV (Princess Koriand'r of Tamaran, aka Kory Anders)
Created By: Marv Wolfman & George Perez
First Appearance: DC Comics Presents #26 (Oct. 1980)
Role: Funny-Skinned Space Babe, Hot Amazon, Hot-Blooded Warrior, Miss Fanservice, The Good Girl
Group Affiliations: The Teen Titans, The Titans, The Royal Family of Tamaran, The Outsiders
PL 10 (190)
Also Jab, on the odd chance you hadn't seen it, Starfire now has her own Sailor Moon style magic girl transformation sequence.
I've never really gotten the idea of Kory having a skirt tho. That just seems weird.
Yeah, I've said enough on this. Breaking them up was stupid, in other news, water is wet.Complications:
Relationship (Dick Grayson)- Kori & Dick were desperately in love during their run on the Titans. Though Kori's bloodthirsty attitude often frightened Dick, and duty often kept them apart, they were nearly married. Things... happened, they split up, and they did that thing in comics where they just TEASE the relationship endlessly and never really get back together.
Tamaran is tied with Xandar for "planet casually destroyed for drama because comic writers don't care about it". It's frankly a hilarious drinking game by this point. Even Krypton only blew up the one time.Relationship (The Royal Family)- Kori loved her parents (now deceased), and remains close with her brother Ryand'r of The Omega Men.
Responsibility (Tamaran)- Kori is one of fairly-few Tamaraneans left in the universe (after their homeworld blew up THREE FRIGGIN' TIMES). She will violently defend her remaining people.
And yeah, I'm not a fan of the phrase "Women in refrigerators", because it implies that it's some kind of intentionally sexist thing in comics that a character's supporting cast will have bad stuff happen to them to motivate the hero. News flash: bad things happening to someone the hero cares about is one of the oldest ways to create drama in fiction. It works especially well when people care about said supporting cast. It's especially important when the character is someone the hero has a romantic relationship. And when the majority of heroes are heterosexual men, that means that a lot of the most important people in their lives are women.
When it's a female hero, surprise surprise, the same thing happens. Her love interest will also get imperiled, traumatized or killed. Even the Wonder Woman film had Steve Trevor get "refrigerated" for her own character growth, and similar things have happened to her in the comics. Donna lost her ex-husband, Jesse Quick lost her dad, Katana lost her husband, etc.
And that's not even getting into children or other family members. Aquaman lost his son, Donna lost her son, Arsenal lost his daughter, Superman has lost his adoptive father, Tim Drake lost his actual dad, Peter Parker lost Uncle Ben, it goes on and on.
It's almost like bad things happening to a hero's loved one isn't gender specific and implying otherwise is disingenuous.
Pretty much. I've never really understood the idea of a character being "hard to write", because either they have a large body of work you can research, or they have relatively few appearances. Regardless of which one, either there are core consistencies that you can pick up on, or the character is written inconsistently from one writer to the next. If the former, you can gain an understanding of the character and figure out how to make them work for you. And if not, then you're free to make them however you want and no one will complain.Starfire- Hard to Write... if you suck at writing:
-Ugh, that "do you want to have sex with me?" line, though. THAT IS NOT HOW STARFIRE FREAKING ACTS!!! Starfire is a creature of PASSION- yes, she takes lovers and junk, and she's obviously a sexual being (an early Titans issue would feature her & Dick in bed together, which did NOT happen a lot back in that era), but she doesn't just bang ANY DUDE- at worst, she's easy (as in, she falls in love quickly and lets loose from there). Never mind that both Nightwing and Jericho have a THOUSAND times as many bedmates as Kori ever did. This also reflects her warrior nature- of all the Titans, she was the one most likely to fight for the kill (a realist trained in actual warfare, she didn't "get" the whole "letting your enemies live" thing, and had to be restrained by Dick)- quick to love, quick to anger. Kori was a devoted, somewhat "innocent" character, but was often extremely dangerous as well.
If you do the latter and people are complaining? Then the character had some core consistencies that you should have picked up on and were just very lazy.
Starfire is like you said: passionate. Everything she does has an intensity to it. She feels her emotions strongly, love to her friends, intense love to her romantic partners, and anger to her enemies.
This is why Perez is the man and one of the top contenders for Best Comics Artist Ever. To me, his only competition are guys like Jack Kirby and Alan Davis, as well as Ivan Reis when he's really on his A-Game.-Her looks is crazy-awesome as well, and REALLY unusual when you think about it. I mean, orange skin and PURPLE armour? With a giant batch of hair that was quite often the size of her whole body? And yet it actually WORKED- in part because Perez made her Part-Fanservice/Part-Innocense, giving her cleavage and a ton of skin (the outfit actually looks uglier when covered up- like in the Grayson-era Titans, but looks worse when it goes Full-Bore Streetwalker, like in the "Nu52"), but also gave her huge eyes, a wide smile, rounded features (GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER I MEANT HER FACE... but also she earned the "so round, so firm, so fully-packed" comment from Changeling, now that I mention it), and more. Perez even went as far as to use her frontal-bangs to curl up over top of her eyes, obscuring her eyebrows- these curls meant that she always looked like her eyebrows were always up in child-like innocense. Comparatively, she could still bring them DOWN when angry, giving her a much more fearsome appearance.
And while no one could replace George, when the Titans got Tom Grummett to replace him, I don't feel like it was too much of a step down:
Yeah, it's weird how some people feel Starfire's stats are all over the map. She almost never uses her super strength, but then out of nowhere she'll get into a fist fight with Wonder Woman. It was even weirder on the cartoon where she was clearly the team's strongest person, basically twice as strong as Cyborg, making her essentially the team powerhouse.Starfire's Stats:
-Kory's the long-range powerhouse of the team, usually modifying her +10 Starbolts with Power Attack and doing unholy amounts of damage with them. She's also great in melee, can fly in space, and, in one of the great forgotten powers of comics, is remarkably strong. She's listed as superhuman officially, but she barely EVER showcases it- despite me having read something like 150 comics featuring Kori, I've seen her use actual Super-Strength MAYBE twice. I mean, how does that even HAPPEN? There's actually a Strength-Feat back in the day (when she picked up a giant Spear and slew a Giant with it), but another was never seen until the Modern Era- her Who's Who bio AND the Technis Imperative bio both left it out! At PL 10, Starfire is even with her teammates, though seems stronger off-and-on after the 2000s- she was clearly the same as everyone else in The Titans, but all of a sudden she seemed PL 11-12-ish in other books. DC is weird that way.
It worked out better in the comics where Donna was clearly the team powerhouse strength wise, Starfire had the most powerful energy blasts, and Vic was the tech guy with some versatility, having solid strength and energy powers. Having her around the Spider-Man strength level seems a decent fit, where she can do some heavy lifting if Donna or Vic aren't there. She should really be all about blasting stuff and maybe flying in for an energy amped punch, but Donna and Dick should be the real close-in fighters.