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Mike Haggar

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MIKE HAGGAR
Created By:
Akira Yasuda
First Appearance: Final Fight (1989)
Home Country: The United States
Role: Greatest & Manliest Man in All The Universe, The Powerhouse, Bad-Ass Politician
Vague Martial Art Basis: Professional Wrestling
PL 9 (151)
STRENGTH
5 STAMINA 5 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 4 (+8)
Athletics 6 (+11)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+12)
Close Combat (Steel Pipes) 2 (+12)
Deception 3 (+6)
Expertise (Mayor of Metro City) 8 (+10)
Expertise (Streetwise) 4 (+6)
Expertise (Professional Wrestler) 6 (+8)
Insight 3 (+6)
Intimidation 7 (+10)
Perception 2 (+5)
Persuasion 5 (+8)
Vehicles 2 (+4)

Advantages:
Beginner's Luck, Benefit 2 (Mayor), Chokehold, Daze (Intimidation), Diehard, Great Endurance, Improved Critical (Piledriver) 2, Improved Critical (Lariat) 2, Improved Disarm, Improved Grab, Improvised Weapon, Interpose, Ranged Attack 5, Startle, Takedown (total 2)

"World Warrior" Fighting Style: Accurate Attack (Jab), All-Out Attack, Defensive Roll, Extraordinary Effort, Fast Grab (Grab), Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Defense, Improved Hold, Improved Trip (Throw), Power Attack (Roundhouse), Takedown, Withstand Damage (Block)

Powers:
"Power Punch" Strength-Damage +1 [1]
"Super Jumps" Leaping 1 (15 feet) [1]

"Special Moves"
"Double Lariat" Strength-Damage +2 (Inaccurate -1) [1]
"Spinning Piledriver" Strength-Damage +3 (Feats: +2 to Hit Opponents Who Parried Last Turn) (Flaws: Distracting) (Inaccurate -2) [2]

Offense:
Unarmed +12 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
Double Lariat +10 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
Spinning Piledriver +9 (+9 Damage, DC 25)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +12 (DC 22), Toughness +5 (+6 D.Roll), Fortitude +7, Will +9

Complications: 
Motivation (Justice)- Haggar is a just mayor, and determined to use his office (and his fists... and a big-ass pipe) to rid Metro City of crime. His mission involves beating the $#!% out of people.
Relationship (Jessica)- Haggar is highly-protective of his young daughter Jessica. Hurt her, and he will gather a team of ruffians to turn the damn city upside-down on his way to Piledriving your ass.
Weakness (Predictability)- Haggar, like all Street Fighters, cannot simply "spam" out the same attack over and over again, as the opponent will expect the attacks, and be ready for them (and a counterattack). The third time he tries the same technique (or same combo of techniques) in a short span, he will be at -2 to Accuracy, AND to his Active Defenses in that round. All will decrease by 2 every successive round the same move is done.

Total: Abilities: 68 / Skills: 54--27 / Advantages: 22 + 13 / Powers: 5 / Defenses: 16 (151)

-Haggar is a man among men, and one of the coolest video game characters ever created (despite his rather plain outfit). Based partially off of "Macho Man" Randy Savage (you can see it in his win pose with Jessica), he was the best guy in Final Fight (disagreement with me = a fight to the death), made it to all the sequels, and even got another game in Saturday Night Slam Masters, an EXCELLENT Pro Wrestling game that plays (unsurprisingly) like Street Fighter games do. But Haggar's just a big, manly wrestling machine, and it's a tragedy that his only SF-based appearances is Marvel (vs) Capcom 3- sure he's similar to Zangief (obviously, Haggar predates him), but I don't think anyone would mind if both were in the same game.

-Haggar is of course the retired pro wrestler who is now the mayor of Metro City (this is humorously BEFORE Jesse "The Body" Ventura went into a political career of his own in the U.S., though in Japan it's been quite common for YEARS to have pro wrestlers take public office. Some even make political appearances IN THEIR MASKS). Vowing to clean up the city, he is stymied when the vicious Mad Gear Gang kidnaps his daughter Jessica and taunts him- he gathers together Jessica's boyfriend Cody, and Cody's best friend Guy, and the three engage in a massive war that results in the death of Belger, the Gang's leader. Later, he helps Guy's stable-mate Maki and his sponsored-kid of sorts Carlos to rescue Maki's father & sister in Final Fight 2. In the third game, he reappears to fight a new gang.

-Fighting Style: Haggar is basically a smarter, savvier Zangief, as the two share many moves. Haggar's charismatic and a politician, but also knows how to grapple like crazy, and his Spinning Piledriver does a shocking +9 Damage, just like The Red Cyclone's. The two are virtually evenly matched, though Haggar has more Advantages, which would likely give him an edge. He's also +12 to hit with a Pipe, as an odd feature of Final Fight is that he swings it faster than the other two characters (despite their own considerable speed edges over Haggar)- should he find one, he'll become a PL 10 threat.
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Maki

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MAKI GENRYUSAI
Created By:
Akira Yasuda
First Appearance: Final Fight 2 (1993)
Home Country: Germany
Role: The Hot Chick, The Usurper (to Guy)
Vague Martial Art Basis: Bushin Ryu Ninpo
PL 8 (121)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 6
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 3
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 8 (+14)
Close Combat (Tonfas) 3 (+13)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 3 (+13)
Expertise (Martial Arts) 5 (+6)
Expertise (Criminal) 3 (+4)
Insight 2 (+4)
Perception 3 (+5)
Persuasion 3 (+6)

Advantages:
Agile Feint, Defensive Attack, Equipment (Tonfa Rods- +1 Damage), Improved Critical (Special Moves) 2, Quick Draw, Ranged Attack 3, Takedown (total 2)

"World Warrior" Fighting Style: Accurate Attack (Jab), All-Out Attack, Defensive Roll, Extraordinary Effort, Fast Grab (Grab), Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Defense, Improved Hold, Improved Trip (Throw), Power Attack (Roundhouse), Takedown, Withstand Damage (Block)

Powers:
Features 1: May Add Tonfa Damage to Special Move Damage [1]
"Bushin Ryu Sprint" Speed 1 (4 mph) [1]

"Special Moves"
"Reppukyaku" Damage 6 (Extras: Area- 15ft. Burst +1/2) (Flaws: Side-Effect -2- Damage) Linked to Protection 6 (Flaws: Immobile -2) (4) -- [6]
  • AE: "Hayagake- Dashing Feint/Sweep/Kick" Strength-Damage +2 (Feats: +2 With Successful Feint Attempt) (Inaccurate -1) (2)
  • AE: "Tengo Daoshi- German Suplex" Strength-Damage +2 (Inaccurate -1) (1)
Offense:
Unarmed +13 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Tonfas +13 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Special Moves +11 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Reppukyaku +6 Area (+6 Damage, DC 21)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +12 (DC 22), Parry +13 (DC 23), Toughness +2 (+3 D.Roll, +9 Reppukyaku), Fortitude +6, Will +6

Complications: 
Motivation (Taking Control of the School)- Maki doesn't want Guy to become the successor and leader of the Bushin Ryu style- she wants the honour for herself. This will be accomplished by beating the $#!% out of people.
Relationship (Sister & Father)- Maki is the daughter of Bushin Ryu's leader. Their kidnapping by Mad Gear set off her wild quest.
Responsibility (Gang Member)- Maki used to be the leader of a crew of biker delinquents. She remains hot-blooded.
Weakness (Predictability)- Maki, like all Street Fighters, cannot simply "spam" out the same attack over and over again, as the opponent will expect the attacks, and be ready for them (and a counterattack). The third time she tries the same technique (or same combo of techniques) in a short span, she will be at -2 to Accuracy, AND to her Active Defenses in that round. All will decrease by 2 every successive round the same move is done.

Total: Abilities: 58 / Skills: 30--15 / Advantages: 10 + 13 / Powers: 8 / Defenses: 17 (121)

-Maki was introduced with Final Fight 2, replacing Guy as "The Fast One", and adding some sexy lady power to the roster. She fights a similar style to Guy (they're from the same school- her sister is Guy's girlfriend, and her father is their Sensei- both are kidnapped by the second Mad Gear Gang), dresses exactly like Mai Shiranui (but a tiny bit more modest), and wields Tonfa Rods. I played FF2 on the Super Nintendo when I was younger, but I'd forgotten all about it's non-Haggar roster by the time Capcom (vs) SNK 2 came out, and wondered who this new Capcom hottie was (the guy from Rival Schools was the same way. That game was neat for the small side-characters they threw out there (a girl from Last Blade was there, too), and Maki had a decent fighting style for it. She was also included in Street Fighter Alpha 3 on a home portable edition.

-Maki herself is a former delinquent (this was edited out of the Western version of FF2) who wishes to take over the Bushin-ryu school, over Guy. Arrogant and a blowhard, she likes to taunt fallen foes.

-Fighting Style: Maki is a PL 8 like the other "Teenager" characters (I don't buy her being on Guy's level, frankly), using weapons like Vega, and fighting an athletic style. The only really unique thing about her is that Reppukyaku move where she spins around like nuts and hits anyone who comes close to her- it's quite dangerous, and she's partially immune to harm in it, but she's Immobile and takes Damage when she uses it. It's rather unique for a Street Fighter move in that regard.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Rise of the Imperfects! Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy!)

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DAMN. Cellphone's buggered. Looks like I'll be reduced to checking and posting only every four hours or so- like a HOBO. It'll be like the old days, before I had a smartphone!

Fun Fact: When I suggested on RPGnet that I was told my thread would never pass muster on their moderator-happy boards, one of their Mods PMed me, saying "I looked at your Birdo and Poison builds, since that's when people usually decide to snark, and I found nothing that offended me as a transgender woman". Does this make me an Ally now? Do I have to start calling everything "problematic" :)?
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Carlos

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CARLOS MIYAMOTO
Role:
The Average Guy of Final Fight 2
PL 9 (100)
STRENGTH
3 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 11 DEXTERITY 4
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 2

Skills:
Acrobatics 6 (+10)
Athletics 6 (+9)
Close Combat (Unarmed) 2 (+13)
Expertise (Martial Arts) 5 (+6)
Insight 2 (+3)
Intimidation 4 (+6)
Perception 3 (+4)

Advantages:
Accurate Attack, Equipment 1 (Katana +3), Fast Grab, Great Endurance, Improved Critical (Sword), Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Quick Draw, Ranged Attack 4, Takedown 2

Offense:
Unarmed +13 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Katana +11 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +12 (DC 22), Toughness +4, Fortitude +6, Will +5

Complications:
Enemy (The Mad Gear Gang)

Total: Abilities: 58 / Skills: 28--14 / Advantages: 15 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 13 (100)

-Carlos Miyamoto is of Latino & Japanese descent, and is currently staying with the Haggar family as of Final Fight 2. So when Guy's girlfriend and her dad get kidnapped, Carlos joins Haggar and Maki in their quest to fight the new Mad Gear Gang. Carlos replaces "Cody" as The Middle-Range Guy- faster than Haggar and stronger than Maki. He also wields a HUGE KATANA, which is awesome. He's had absolutely no impact on Capcom's history, however, as he's not interesting-looking, and isn't a hot chick. He fights like a PL 8 most of the time, but upgrades half a PL with that giant Katana of his (which he only uses for his Special Attack in the game).
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Poison

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POISON
Created By:
Akira Yasuda
First Appearance: Final Fight (1989)
Home Country: The United States
Role: Female Mook, Miss Fanservice, Trans Character
Vague Martial Art Basis: Unknown
PL 8 (142)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 6
FIGHTING 13 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Acrobatics 10 (+16)
Athletics 8 (+10)
Deception 4 (+8)
Expertise (Criminal) 6 (+6)
Expertise (Martial Arts) 5 (+5)
Insight 3 (+5)
Perception 3 (+5)
Persuasion 3 (+7)
Ranged Combat (Energy Attacks) 4 (+10)
Stealth 2 (+8)

Advantages:
Chokehold, Daze (Deception), Equipment (Riding Crop- Reach 2, Handcuffs), Fascination (Deception), Fast Grab, Improved Critical (Special Moves), Improved Grab, Improved Initiative, Ranged Attack 1, Startle, Takedown

"World Warrior" Fighting Style: Accurate Attack (Jab), All-Out Attack, Extraordinary Effort, Fast Grab (Grab), Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Defense, Improved Hold, Improved Trip (Throw), Power Attack (Roundhouse), Takedown, Withstand Damage (Block)

Powers:
"Honey Trap" Blast 2 (Feats: +2 to Airborne Opponents) (Diminished Range -1) Linked to Affliction 6 (Will; Dazed & Hindered/Stunned & Vulnerable) (Extras: Ranged, Extra Condition) (Flaws: Limited Degree, Distracting) (10) -- [13]
  • AE: "Thunder Whip/Whip of Love- Repeating Whip" Strength-Damage +2 (Extras: Multiattack 5) (Flaws: Distracting 5) (Inaccurate -1) Linked to Affliction 5 (Toughness; Dazed & Vulnerable/Stunned & Defenseless) (Extras: Extra Condition) (Flaws: Limited Degree) (8.5)
  • AE: "Aeolus Edge" Blast 5 (Flaws: Reduced Defenses 2) (6)
  • AE: "Elbow Drop/Ascension- Lifting Kick" Strength-Damage +2 (Inaccurate -1) (1)
Features 1: May Add Whip Damage to Strength-Based Attacks [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +13 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Whip +13 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Elbow Drop/Ascension/Thunder Whip +11 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Aeolus Edge +10 (+5 Ranged Damage, DC 20)
Honey Trap +10 (+2 Ranged Damage +6 Ranged Affliction, DC 17 & 16)
Initiative +10

Defenses:
Dodge +12 (DC 22), Parry +13 (DC 23), Toughness +3, Fortitude +5, Will +5

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)
Prejudice (Well, YOU Know...)- Depending on the continuity (or hell, the country in which you're playing the game), Poison may or may not be born biologically-male, still have a penis, or be full post-operative.

Total: Abilities: 70 / Skills: 48--24 / Advantages: 11 + 12 / Powers: 14 / Defenses: 11 (142)

That Girl Is Poison:
-Easily the most confusing history in the SF/Final Fight franchise goes to the mysterious, enigmatic, controversial Poison. To go into why takes a LONG time, but the short version is: she may or may not have been born male. And of course the REAL explanation gives Poison by far the longest bio of any Street Fighter or Final Fight character, despite not really being that interesting as a CHARACTER.

-See, the INITIAL story was that Poison & Roxy were a pair of female Mooks in the Final Fight game (Poison the "main" one with a full Health Bar and pink hair; Roxy had a smaller Health Bar and orange hair)- their outfits were extraordinarily-skimpy to the point of Fanservice- barely-there skirts, and shirts so tiny they flew up and revealed underboob when either girl was struck. But fear over being seen as sexist for allowing players to beat up on women ("rude" was the term the Japanese developer used), they were changed to TRANSVESTITES (modern term would be "Crossdresser") in the version sent to Western arcades. Because of course, beating up ladies is totally insensitive, but if they're men in lady-dress (never mind the underboob), it's totes radical? Not creating any kind of unfortunate implications THERE, right? Nonetheless, both were STILL removed from the Home Console versions of the game, and replaced with Billy & Sid, a pair of male characters.

But Actually...:
-HOWEVER, it's since turned out that this initial perception was WRONG. The initial drawings of Poison & Roxy by the designers include the word "Newhalf" right underneath- "newhalf" is a Japanese term for a Female-To-Male Transgendered people (ie. born physically male, views self as female, or is transitioning TO female, or has already gone THROUGH an operation- it appears to all fit under that heading). Which... KIND OF makes sense from a language perspective (it's like, the "new" means change, and "half" means "somewhere between", which is kind of what "Trans" means anyways...) but comes off vaguely-rude. Probably doesn't sound rude in Japanese, in any case (it's just them combining two English words). So APPARENTLY Poison (and Roxy) was meant to be what we in the 2000s are supposed to call "trans" all along.

-This, of course, wasn't quite the story for years. The version I'd heard since I was a pre-teen was that they were "transexuals" (a term that doesn't get used so much these days, as it's viewed as dated and was too often used as a slur) in America, but standard-issue women in Japan ("cisgender" is the operative word now, and yes all of these terms have undergone a rapid change in recent years, which makes looking into matters confusing, and makes all information before like 2000 come off as insensitive to modern trans people, regardless of their sympathy to the LGBT spectrum). And of course I had the typical semi-homophobic teen male response (all "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the hot chick from a video game is actually a DUDE NOOOOOOOOO!")- such things generally go away with age. But, this reputation kind of stuck, and so pretty much any time Poison showed up, jokes about male organs would soon follow.

Poison As Background Joke:
-Now, Poison didn't appear in subsequent Final Fights games (save Final Fight Revenge, a Fighting Game), and was usually only seen in the background during other games (like SNK, Capcom liked to stick un-used characters in backgrounds as a Canon Gag for longtime fans). It wasn't until Hugo's reintroduction in Street Fighter III that she became a thing again- Poison was treated like Hugo's manager/caretaker- his best pal, who would always watch his back. Poison would finally get some playable appearances in Street Fighter X Tekken and a few other games as well, meaning that she was now back on the fighting circuit in a major way!

-HOWEVER, this did not stop any kind of confusion and/or controversy. Problematically, Capcom people keep changing their story on her, and how things are. Eventually, the "official line" was that Poison was Pre-Op (or Non-Op- I imagine plenty don't go through with it) Trans in Japan, where she "tucks away her business" in order to pass as female, while Post-Op in America. This is of course REALLY SILLY, but not the FIRST time the canon has diverged cross-country (though usually it's just the boxer going by "Balrog" instead of litigation-inspiring "Mike Bison", not someone growing male genitalia overseas). And of course, Poison's appearances in SF/Tekken drew controversy because somebody thought it'd be funny to have a ton of dialogue sent her way poking FUN at her very nature- Ryu says he doesn't want to fall into her "trap" ("trap" is a joke/fetish about someone seemingly-female revealing a penis to a male lover), and Chun-Li would say nonsense like "You're not very lady-like at all! It felt like I was fighting a GUY in there!" (this is both offensive to trans people, and not even FUNNY, which makes it even worse), Kuma the Bear denies Poison's a woman, saying she "smells like a man". This was, shall we say, not entirely well-received. Thankfully, Capcom changed some of the dialogue (most of which was revealed pre-release) when the game actually came out.

So What IS Poison, Anyways?:
-Part of the issue is a lack of real, definition answers from Capcom, which I think is kind of a cultural thing with Japan. There's very little "MY say is the only say" stuff, and the creators often aren't as obsessive as the fans are in keeping stuff straight, and often people disagree within the company itself. This is sometimes still true in the WEST, but for the most part, you see a lot less of the "True Official Statements" regarding things like this. If it was Marvel or DC, we'd almost absolutely have a proclamation from On High, where Joe Quesada or Alex Alonso or somebody would be "Yes, Poison is X instead of Y, and we are all super-happy about it"... but in Japan? There's not nearly as much of that- sometimes, MAJOR questions go unanswered. Never mind the fact that they keep CHANGING THEIR MINDS about everything- the Official Story (and thus, Poison's entire nature) has changed repeatedly, and continuity itself is often up in the air- The answer has gone from "She COULD be male, but it's up to the viewer to decide" (FF designer Akira Nishitani) to "in North America, she's a post-op transexual. But in Japan, she simply tucks her business away to look female" (SF IV producer Yoshinori Ono)- she was thus not included in Street Fighter IV because "this would be too confusing".

-THEN, however, Ono declared her a post-op in all regions (for ease of localization... though why all the games HAVE to mention this enough to require changing the dialogue is beyond me), then changed his mind AGAIN and said it was up to the fans to decide. Meanwhile, the original game's designer has said that "to me, Poison will always be cisgender". Meaning that the "Official Answer" is simultaneously unknown, yes, no, maybe, and meaningless- essentially, it's the "Shrug of God". To me, when I hear stuff like "it's meant to be ambiguous", it's the same as when a celebrity accused of being gay says "I don't like to talk about my sexuality"- ie. the answers's "yes, but I don't want any of the negative attention from people who hate that kind of thing."

Poison... Is Kind Of Popular?:
-The funny thing is, all of this controversy and confusion just make the character MORE fascinating to people. First off, Trans people (who have like ZERO fictional characters with whom to identify, even as that became the new "in thing" to openly-find okay and acceptable) all identified with her (which is funny, seeing as how she was a vicious criminal and accessory to kidnapping). And... how do I put it delicately? Let's just say that the possibility of Poison having a huge penis has not exactly held her back in terms of popularity in Fan Art or as a Miss Fanservice :). And Capcom wouldn't admit this, but I would bet MONEY that she was made trans in the first place because someone working on Final Fight had that very same fetish. But honestly? There's nine hundred female charactes in Capcom's games. Why NOT make one of them trans? It at least sets her apart from the rest of the herd. I have no issue with Poison being part of the "T" on the "LGBT" spectrum. Hell, it's really the only interesting thing ABOUT her- if she's not trans, then she's no more interesting as a person than say, Bred or Dug. She's just some criminal who now wants to make it big. Not exactly the stuff of legends. Between the look and her status, that's all there really is to the girl.

Poison's Stats:
-Oh yeah, the stats :-). Okay, in any case, Poison is a PL 8 Fighter- having only a handful of appearances, and spending most of her time as either a Mook (Final Fight) or Sidekick SF III, she hasn't "earned" the full status of PL 9-10 yet. However, she's got a pretty neat set of moves- some standard-issue stuff, but then we have a STUNNING attack- her Honey Trap move is a minor Fireball, but can actually stun an enemy for a pretty long period of time (a second or two is an ETERNITY in Fighting Game terms). She's an acrobatic Dexmonkey type of fighter otherwise.

-I'd rather not get into the minefield of whether or not to give her Attractive (I mean, physically it seems OBVIOUS she should have it- she's ALSO a flirt. But if the characters KNOW? Depending on who's in charge, who knows WHAT they know, and WHO knows? And who'd still be affected anyways?... See? Not worth getting into)- her moves work the same on everybody, regardless of their gender, sex or identity, and I figure she's a consummate liar and con-woman anyways, so any stat-benefit is probably not there.

POISON- in Final Fight
Created By:
Akira Yasuda
First Appearance: Final Fight (1989)
Home Country: The United States
Role: Female Mook, Miss Fanservice, Trans Character
Vague Martial Art Basis: Unknown
PL 6 (97)
STRENGTH
2 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 5
FIGHTING 9 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Acrobatics 10 (+15)
Athletics 8 (+10)
Deception 4 (+8)
Expertise (Criminal) 6 (+6)
Insight 3 (+5)
Perception 3 (+5)
Persuasion 3 (+7)
Stealth 1 (+6)

Advantages:
Chokehold, Close Attack, Daze (Deception), Diehard, Equipment (Riding Crop, Handcuffs), Fascination (Deception), Fast Grab, Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Defense, Improved Initiative, Improved Trip, Takedown

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+2 Damage, DC 17)
Initiative +9

Defenses:
Dodge +9 (DC 19), Parry +9 (DC 19), Toughness +3, Fortitude +5, Will +2

Complications:
Motivation (Greed)
Prejudice (Well, YOU Know...)- Depending on the continuity (or hell, the country in which you're playing the game), Poison may or may not be born biologically-male, still have a penis, or be full post-operative.

Total: Abilities: 60 / Skills: 39--19 / Advantages: 12 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (97)

-Poison in Final Fight is PL 6, like the other "Full Bar" guys like El Gado & Holly Wood. Her accuracy & defenses move much lower, her Advantages take a nose dive, and her Whip no longer does extra damage. At this point, Guy, Cody & Haggar can make short work of two or three of her at once.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy! Haggar! Poison!)

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I think the popular perception of Poison amongst the transgender community is that she's a transgender woman, though the idea of whether Poison has had the Surgery™ or not is completely and utterly irrelevant as to her identity. She obviously presents as a woman and uses female pronouns for herself and thus should be considered such regardless of when or if she underwent some kind of surgery. Being transgender is like being gay or bisexual, it's something you are rather than something you become and transition is a way of dealing with the fact of a gender that doesn't match what was assigned to you at birth.

As for queer people in identifying with villains... that's one hell of a rabbit hole to go down but I will say that it has a long, long history and links in with the fact that more than a few villains are coded gay. When your only chance of representation is found amongst the bad guys, you wind up identifying a bit with the bad guys.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy! Haggar! Poison!)

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Since the fans are allowed to think whatever they want, I think Poison is a cis woman. The whole story of why she had to be changed for American audiences seems quite reasonable. Pretty much everything that came after that? Not so much.

As for the infamous "Newhalf" picture:
a) It is interesting that, given that she is such a controversial figure in the fandom, the original sketch in question has never been released to the best of my knowledge. But I could easily be proven wrong on that.
b) More importantly, I haven't ever met an artist who *doesn't* write joke comments under his or her art from time to time. Rather than suggesting Poison was intended to be trans, I think it makes more sense that the artist drew a huge-breasted woman with a micro-mini skirt on, and then joked to himself and his friends, "yeah, she actually has a dick," never meaning it at all. Maybe I'm alone in this, but that's a much more plausible story to me.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy! Haggar! Poison!)

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drkrash wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:11 pm Since the fans are allowed to think whatever they want, I think Poison is a cis woman. The whole story of why she had to be changed for American audiences seems quite reasonable. Pretty much everything that came after that? Not so much.
Why is it unreasonable for her to be considered a transgender woman after that initial point?
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy! Haggar! Poison!)

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Scots Dragon wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:15 pm
drkrash wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:11 pm Since the fans are allowed to think whatever they want, I think Poison is a cis woman. The whole story of why she had to be changed for American audiences seems quite reasonable. Pretty much everything that came after that? Not so much.
Why is it unreasonable for her to be considered a transgender woman after that initial point?
Not that she be considered transgender, but the back-bending stories of whether she is or is not just smack of "we never intended this narrative, but people find it interesting to talk about, so we'll roll with it. Kind of."

If all of this happened *just* within the past few years, I would totally accept that it was the "true" story. But the early 1990s? No.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy! Haggar! Poison!)

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In regards to Poison, her being Pre-op and "tucking" makes no sense to me for a couple reasons. 1) I feel like, with the shorts she wears, tucking or not tucking wouldn't really hide much, at least not for long, and 2) Wouldn't 'tucking' be an extremely uncomfortable thing to do in a fight, especially one that involves kicking?
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy! Haggar! Poison!)

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L-Space wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:44 pm In regards to Poison, her being Pre-op and "tucking" makes no sense to me for a couple reasons. 1) I feel like, with the shorts she wears, tucking or not tucking wouldn't really hide much, at least not for long, and 2) Wouldn't 'tucking' be an extremely uncomfortable thing to do in a fight, especially one that involves kicking?
It's a world with people who have all manner of weird and inhuman abilities, enough so that the entire thing could cross over with Marvel Comics without anyone batting an eyelash. :P

More importantly though is that it doesn't matter in actual real terms whether she's post-op or pre-op because being transgender doesn't work that way.
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Scots Dragon wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:52 pm It's a world with people who have all manner of weird and inhuman abilities, enough so that the entire thing could cross over with Marvel Comics without anyone batting an eyelash. :P

More importantly though is that it doesn't matter in actual real terms whether she's post-op or pre-op because being transgender doesn't work that way.
As soon as I posted that I knew someone would bring up the whole "this is a world with fireballs and lighting kicks" thing :P.

And yea the whether Poison is Pre or Post Op doesn't effect the character at all, but it's something that has caught a lot of fans attention and they like to talk about it.
Jabroniville wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:41 pm Poison... Is Kind Of Popular?:
-The funny thing is, all of this controversy and confusion just make the character MORE fascinating to people. First off, Trans people (who have like ZERO fictional characters with whom to identify, even as that became the new "in thing" to openly-find okay and acceptable) all identified with her (which is funny, seeing as how she was a vicious criminal and accessory to kidnapping).
Plus liking a villain is pretty common in most fandoms. Hell, Darth Vader is one of my all time favorite characters periods, and he may have committed an evil deed or two ;).
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Jabroniville wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:08 am -Cody's story is... really goddamn depressing, really. Moreso for one of my friends, who WORSHIPPED Cody as a kid (the whole "Adidas Sneakers/short hair/white t-shirt/blue jeans" look was IN at that time, you see- his shirt was so tight that you could see his SIX-PACK through it!), and was horrified to see where he turned in the Capcom franchises. Turning from the generic whitebread hero of Final Fight (still the greatest beat-em-up series of all time) into a jailbird who constantly gets arrested because he's crazy and gets into fights all the time. Breaking out frequently to get into more fights, Cody ended up burning his bridges with Haggar, Guy and girlfriend Jessica. He was originally supposed to be "Joe" from the first Street Fighter returned, but Capcom changed their minds and decided to break the hearts of thousands of children of the '80s instead. F*** you, Capcom. F***. YOU.
I don't mind Cody being in jail and actually like his jailbird look, but I feel like WHY he's in jail could have been handled a lot better. He could have been in jail because he accidentally hurt someone while stopping a crime and so he agreed to serve time.Then when he breaks out to help in the Street Fighter tournament, he's doing so knowing that it's going to add to his sentence (and explains why he's still in jail for later games), but he couldn't live with himself if he wasn't there for his friends.
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Thai "ladyboys" (their own term for themselves, so don't blame me if you find it offensive) wear short shorts and bikinis and seem to "tuck" pretty successfully. Neither does it seem to prevent them from kicking some serious foreigner ass if they get rude.
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Re: Jab's Builds! (Final Fight! Rolento! Cody! Guy! Haggar! Poison!)

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Poison also has the best ending in Ultra SF IV :D

I mean, I could see Ken willingly joining a band, Rolento coming along out of past camaraderie from their Mad Gear days, and even Cody let their past slide now that he is also a criminal and they are doing something harmless...but how do you get freaking RYU to put put on KISS style makeup and join a band?! I remind you that Poison does not have Psycho Power to mind control him or anything XD
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