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Flotsam & Jetsam

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:10 am

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FLOTSAM & JETSAM
Played by:
Paddi Edwards
Role: Villainous Minions
PL 5 (68)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE -1 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Athletics 7 (+8)
Expertise (Survival) 5 (+5)
Intimidation 6 (+6)
Perception 6 (+6)
Persuasion 5 (+5)
Stealth 3 (+7)

Advantages:
Fast Grab, Improved Critical (Bite), Improved Hold, Improved Initiative, Startle

Powers:
"Animal Senses" Senses 3 (Extended & Acute Scent, Low-Light Vision) [3]

"Sea Creature"
Swimming 5 (16 mph) [5]
Immunity 2 (Drowning, Pressure) [2]

"Moray Bite" Strength-Damage +2 [2]

"Ursula's Babies" Senses 1 (Sensory Link- Ursula's Crystal Ball) [1]

Offense:
Unarmed +7 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Bite +7 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Initiative +8

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +3, Fortitude +4, Will +3

Complications:
Disabled (Animal)- Moray Eels cannot speak to humans, nor use their fins to easily manipulate objects.
Disabled- Fish require water to survive, and will die quickly if left out of it.

Total: Abilities: 28 / Skills: 32--16 / Advantages: 5 / Powers: 12 / Defenses: 7 (68)

-Flotsam & Jetsam are a bit of a subversion- most Villainous Mooks are Bebop & Rocksteady-level idiots who always screw everything up. But these two Moray Eels are more in the vein of Maleficent's pet Diablo- they're competent and skillful, and actually manage to be efficient go-betweens between Ursula and poor unfortunate Merfolk. They're the ones who convince Ariel to go see the Sea-Witch, and when Prince Eric threatens the boss, they try to strangle/drown him- it's only an errant blast from Supreme Ursula that finishes them. And Ursula actually CARES FOR HER HENCHMEN, mourning the loss of her "babies" (who float down in pieces, leaving eyes and innards behind) and redoubling her efforts to kill the heroes.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:10 am

MC48 was good enough to share with me someone's set of art for "Disney's Warrior Princesses": https://www.boredpanda.com/warrior-disn ... gn=organic

I should probably create some kind of "Master Post" for the Disney Princesses line at some point, since the '90s is the period where they REALLY rev up the creation of these girls.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:25 am

Found Danelsan's old posts of Adam Hughes drawing Disney characters:
danelsan wrote:Of course, I can't let this topic go without posting Adam Hughes' art nouveau version of Ariel, a picture called "Not So Little Mermaid"
In his words: "Another example of me damaging the Disney Princesses. If this bothers you, don't look at my Tinkerbell"
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danelsan wrote:For tink, he says: "I always assume when someone askes ME to draw a beloved Disney character, they are not looking for a drawing that sticks to the model sheets..."

Anyway, his gorgeous version of Tinkerbell has the bust to go with the bottom
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You're welcome :).

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:03 am

Also, Morloth's wonderful "Disney High" comic, which is pertinent to this set of builds: https://www.deviantart.com/morloth88/ar ... -763388696

Getting into the Disney Reinaissance now, I'm really struck by just how long ago it was (thirty years as of 2019, which is quite fitting; my first "Disney Builds" set was in 2013, which was the TWENTY-FIFTH anniversary). And by how much more involved the movies and their casts tend to get. For Peter Pan or The Rescuers, there's only a tiny handful of characters worth statting- even important characters aren't really worth it if they're just small children.

But now, getting into these movies, you see VERY LARGE CASTS. The Jungle Book and Robin Hood are comparable, but it seems almost every Renaissance movie has a ton of characters, sidekicks and villains in it.

It's also when Disney revved up the "Princess" idea, though it wasn't a franchise until the 2000s. Ariel, Belle & Pocahontas all starred in their own features, and Jasmine was also highly prominent in another. Keep in mind that the last Princess before Ariel was AURORA, thirty years prior. And it also led to a new batch of Fairy Tale stories: Walt could never get Beauty and the Beast or any of the Hans Christian Andersen stories off the ground, and then funding fell apart and they were usually stuck doing more standard-issue tales from kids books. NOW, suddenly, we have The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and other tales popping up.

So the "Return to Form" mentioned by early critics (Roger Ebert fell in LOVE with The Little Mermaid, immediately saying it was like the old days were back again) wasn't just in terms of quality- the subject matter, animation, song quality, scenery and more was all ramped up to this incredible level. The Great Mouse Detective and The Little Mermaid look like they were made TWENTY-FIVE years apart, not THREE!

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by RUSCHE » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:24 pm

Jabroniville wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:25 am
Found Danelsan's old posts of Adam Hughes drawing Disney characters:
danelsan wrote:Of course, I can't let this topic go without posting Adam Hughes' art nouveau version of Ariel, a picture called "Not So Little Mermaid"
In his words: "Another example of me damaging the Disney Princesses. If this bothers you, don't look at my Tinkerbell"
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danelsan wrote:For tink, he says: "I always assume when someone askes ME to draw a beloved Disney character, they are not looking for a drawing that sticks to the model sheets..."

Anyway, his gorgeous version of Tinkerbell has the bust to go with the bottom
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You're welcome :).
Holy @$%& ! That Tinkerbell...wow..just wow.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by Spectrum » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:03 pm

I just came across this picture and it looks really really familiar. Maybe from a comic book?

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We rise from the ashes so that new legends can be born.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by Horsenhero » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:52 pm

Holy sheep dip! It seems like forever and a day since I've been on these boards (between work and putting out my comic, my time is pretty much spoken for), but it's nice to see you're still fighting the good fight Jab!

I'm hardly the Disney Princess fan that you are, but these builds still rock.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:36 pm

Horsenhero wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:52 pm
Holy sheep dip! It seems like forever and a day since I've been on these boards (between work and putting out my comic, my time is pretty much spoken for), but it's nice to see you're still fighting the good fight Jab!

I'm hardly the Disney Princess fan that you are, but these builds still rock.
Haha, so you CAN get this site operational once in a while. Too bad you missed out on the Legion of Super-Heroes builds in April, but those actually drew a fair bit of attention :).

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Sexy Ursula

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:42 pm

There's also a TON of "Cute/Sexy Ursula" artwork out there:
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King Triton

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:43 pm

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WELP I'm gay for Triton, now.

KING TRITON
Played by:
Kenneth Mars
Role: Overprotective Father
PL 14 (184)
STRENGTH
5/14 STAMINA 6/15 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 8 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Athletics 2 (+6)
Expertise (Magic) 8 (+11)
Insight 5 (+7)
Intimidation 4 (+8)
Perception 5 (+7)
Persuasion 2 (+6)

Advantages:
Benefit 5 (King of the Seas), Daze (Intimidation), Power Attack, Ranged Attack 8, Startle

Powers:
Comprehend 2 (Animals) (Flaws: Limited to Marine Fauna) [2]

"Merman Physiology"
Senses 1 (Low-Light Vision) [1]
Swimming 4 (8 mph) [4]
Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Aquatic) [2]
Immunity 3 (Drowning, Cold, Pressure) [3]

"The Trident of King Triton" (Flaws: Easily Removable) [83]
"Water-World" Environment (Impede Movement) 4 (2 ranks, 250ft. Radius) (8)
"Maelstrom" Damage 14 (Extras: Area- 250ft. Burst +4) (70) -- (78)
  • AE: Blast 16 (32)
  • AE: "Super-Bolt" Damage 14 (Extras: 120ft. Line +3) (56)
  • AE: "Water Torrents" Move Object 16 (32)
  • AE: "Mass Drowning" Affliction 14 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Extras: Area- 120ft. Burst +3) (56)
  • AE: "Forced Drowning" Affliction 14 (Fort; Dazed/Stunned/Incapacitated) (Extras: Ranged) (28)
  • AE: "Water Control" Move Object 16 (Extras: Perception Range) (Flaws: Limited to Water) (32)
  • AE: Variable 10 (70)
  • AE: "Giant Tentacle" Damage 12 (Extras: Area- 60ft. Shapeable +2) (36)
"Permanent Transformations" Affliction 6 (Transformed) (Extras: Continuous +3, Ranged) (Flaws: Limited to Maximum Degree) (24)

"Gigantic Size"
Growth 9 (Str & Sta +9, +9 Mass, +4 Intimidation, -4 Dodge/Parry, -9 Stealth) (18)
Growth +9 (+18 Mass, +9 Intimidation, +2 Speed, -18 Stealth) -- (144 feet) (Flaws: Limited to Non-STR & STA Growths) (9)
-- (137 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +8 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
Giant Size +8 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
Blast +8 (+16 Ranged Damage, DC 31)
Forced Drowning +8 (+14 Ranged Affliction, DC 24)
Area Damage +14 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
Mass Drowning +14 Area (+14 Affliction, DC 24)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +6, Fortitude +6, Will +7
"Giant Size" Dodge +3 (DC 13), Parry +3 (DC 13), Toughness +16, Fortitude +15, Will +7

Complications:
Relationship (Ariel)- Ariel is Triton's favorite daughter, but also the one that frustrates him the most. This is because they both have the same personality traits- impetuousness, stubbornness and anger.
Relationship (Other Daughters)- Oh yeah, he has other daughters, too. He doesn't talk about them much.
Enemy (Ursula)- Ursula once lived in the palace, but has since been banished. Triton is likely the reason why.

Total: Abilities: 62 / Skills: 26--13 / Advantages: 16 / Powers: 103 / Defenses: 10 (184)

-King Triton was a really impressive character in The Little Mermaid, and a bit of something you don't see that often- a VERY overprotective dad. In fact, he's downright fearsome and dangerous, and one of the few to use violent actions to get his way. It's a testament to the writers and directors that he nonetheless comes off somewhat sympathetically, to the point where he's seen as a good person despite his flaws. It really comes down to the fact that everything he does is because of LOVE- he cares for Ariel dearly, to the point where he'll do anything to protect her (especially from the surface people), and even sacrifices himself for her in the movie's final act, which is basically the final thing that makes him a heroic figure.

-MAN is he a piece of business, though. He gets an EPIC introduction, swooping in over a crowd of merfolk on a chariot pulled by dolphins, his trident glowing with raw power. And he's this proud, doting father, enjoying his daughters at their little singing recital... until it's revealed that Ariel bailed on the whole thing, embarrassing him in front of the ENTIRE KINGDOM. And HOLY SHIT does he get angry- just shouting "ARRIELLLLLLL!!!!" with his trident blazing. And of course this sets off their relationship, without which the rest of the movie really doesn't work- he establishes his position, punishes her for her misdeeds, and gets furiuos every time he's disobeyed. But in that horrifying moment where he DEMOLISHES her entire grotto, full of the things she cherishes most in the entire world... you actually BELIEVE HIM when he says "I HATED having to do that to a sympathetic, but still gobsmacked, Sebastian.

-It's like, he goes over the top, but you know where it comes from. Hell, ALL fathers know where it comes from (in the first sequel, we'd realize much of it stems from the death of his wife Athena at the hands of a human vessel). Ariel's irresponsible and disrespectful, and rushes into situations Triton knows to be dangerous. But his rage ends up breaking Ariel's heart and driving her away, which is what leads her into the tentacles of Ursula. But all that stuff when he feels horrible for demolishing her grotto, when he tries to sacrifice his freedom for hers, and when he finally gives her what she wants ("how much I'm really going to MISS her") and nods to her future husband... he feels REAL, you know? This is a person who makes mistakes, behaves too emotionally, and is a bit too used to being obeyed.

-Triton's statline is largely ambiguous, even with all the Supporting Material, prequel TV series, and sequels. It's really more because URSULA can do these things when she has his Trident. Which is REALLY strong, though the one time he uses it offensively, he fails to injure the Sea Witch, thanks to having an ironclad contract. He CAN, however, enact permaent transformations on others.

About the Performer: Kenneth Mars is an unknown to me, but he'd done bit parts on TV for years before The Little Mermaid came out, and did more after. The one I actually remember is Otto, the German dude ranch owner (and Francis's employer) on Malcolm in the Middle. He died of pancreatic cancer in 2011, and had voiced Triton in everything until then, as well as some other animated characters (most notably Grandpa Longneck in the Land Before Time series).

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Beauty and the Beast

Post by Jabroniville » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:50 pm

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BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (1991):
Written by:
Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve (original story), Jeanne-Marie Le Prince de Beaumont (adaptation novel that heavily influenced this), Linda Woolverton, Brenda Chapman, Burny Mattinson, Brian Pimental, Joe Ranft, Kelly Asbury, Chris Sanders, Kevin Harkey, Bruce Woodside, Tom Ellery, Robert Lence & Roger Allers

The Disney Animated Canon features some spectacular works of art, and many excel at various things that make them more memorable. There are some that have a fantastic art style. Some have great music. Some have better backgrounds than others, or do something unique with the "Disney Cliche Format". Some may only have one really memorable song or character and rest on those laurels. But only ONE film, in my opinion, truly combines every single thing Disney does well, and merges them into one picture. I have my favourite Disney films, but only ONE of them is the best. And that movie is Beauty And The Beast.

THIS MOVIE IS PERFECTION. The animation is the best yet, and only later films had a shot at matching it's perfect blending of style and technology. The character designs are unimaginably perfect, to the point where every character could not be changed one iota. Nearly the entirety of the songs are phenomenal, from the ostentatious "Show-Off" ones like Be Our Guest to the hilarious Gaston. There's epic background music, exciting fight scenes, great comedy, and the best love story Disney ever told. How perfect is it? It was, until UP many years later, the only animated film EVER nominated for the Academy Award for Best Picture- and this is an award reserved by a bunch of stodgy old white guys to give to art films or whatever tugged at their heartstrings that year with "Oscar Bait" crap- the fact that an ANIMATED MOVIE could get them temporarily ignore all of the "I play a drug addict" or "I am doing a biographical picture" stuff for one freakin' year is astonishing.

SO MUCH GOOD STUFF:
* The mood is unsurpassed- never before has a castle looked more forboding and dark. All the shadows everywhere. The chaos of the fight scenes. The West Wing, where Beast is sadly looking at this wilting Magic Rose (an perfect symbolic representation of the ticking clock that is his redemption). The gravitas of those moments when The Beast steps into the light or appears in the Wing, his breath visible in a big snort... it's incredible stuff to witness, and something that cannot be captured in either live action OR CGI. ONLY hand-drawn animation can do this.
* It really captures the nastiness of Old Legends and Harsh Lessons back in the day- sure, The Prince deserved to be punished for his douchebaggery... but his SERVANTS? The children, the dog, whatever that carriage was, etc.? The Enchantress effectively punished dozens, if not DOZENS of people (given how many things appeared in Be Our Guest, though they're not really meant to represent one person each) because they had a crappy boss.
* The character animation is remarkable, especially because Belle is by definition less "showy" than many other heroines- she's not an Action Girl, doesn't swim, and doesn't do a lot of dancing around compared to others. But if you watch carefully, they NEVER match this kind of subtley to movement again. There's that scene where she contemplates leaving The Beast after he saves her from the wolves, but reconsiders. Or the time in Something There while feeding birds where she hides behind the tree and finds herself shocked at how much she's coming to care for her jailer. YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ IT ON HER FACE. To say nothing of how The Beast was designed and animated (more on him in his own build).
* The Sidekicks actually fail to be annoying or cloying. Even Chip, who is essentially the "Kid P.O.V. Character", which tends to be an annoying archetype, is as cute as he's supposed to be without being EVERYWHERE. He's in a couple scenes making comments, and he saves the day one time on behalf of children everywhere, and that's it. Lumiere & Cogsworth aren't even generic Sidekicks- they're more like mentors and advisors. Hell, they're not even as slapsticky as you'd expect- Cogsworth is downright viciously-sarcastic ("Flowers, chocolates, promises you don't intend to KEEP...").
* A villain with comparatively-little screen-time who nonetheless commands attention and is VERY well-remembered.
* The songs- there isn't a crap or forgettable song in the lot- EVERY ONE IS GOOD. This is considered the masterpiece of the late Howard Ashman (the end of the movie reads "To our friend Howard, who gave a mermaid her voice and a beast his soul, we will be forever grateful"), and even the leitmotifs that follow characters around are great.
* The Scenery Porn- the library, the Be Our Guest dance sequence, the courtyard, the freaking CASTLE... once they hit the Ballroom Dance sequence, you're like "this is it. This is why the first guy started making consecutive pictures in a flip-book, and why Walt Disney made his first animated feature- this justifies the entire medium's existence."

AND THE LOVE STORY:
-It uses a lot of the old cliches, like "they dislike each other at first" and "he's a jerk who does one nice thing" (something that serial seducers like to use, as I've discovered- for some reason, it makes a lot of women see you as a nice guy deep-down, whereas a nice guy doing one jerky thing PROVES HE IS A JERK FOREVER). There's even the question of Belle gaining sympathy for her captor... but the fact is, 99% of all audiences completely gloss it over because IT IS SO PERFECTLY DONE. The Beast is gallingly callous and rude, SCREAMING at Belle on the first night of her captivity because she isn't hungry. He FREAKS when she enters the West Wing against his direct orders, chasing her out the castle. But then there's that moment where he saves her life against those freaky-ass wolves, and she's silently grateful to him...

And then, when she's tending to his wounds ("how did she get him onto that horse?" my mom said at the time- it still bugs me), they don't just get all weepy. He starts whining about the pain and she starts treating him like a whiny baby, and they have the CUTEST ARGUMENT EVER, because she's all angry and stuff (why is it women are never more attractive than when they're like that?) and lecturing him and she STONES HIM in the debate, leaving him speechless. And ONLY THEN do they come to terms and she thanks him, and THAT sets off their relationship. No "Falling in love in one day" like every Disney movie ever- this takes TIME. And they don't portray them as lovey-dovey simps, either- there's no cooing instantly or none of that. Looking closely, it's clear that they are TERRIFIED and what's going on. The Beast is nervous as hell, trying all this new crap (I mean, BEING NICE TO PEOPLE?) and can barely contain himself. Belle has all these moments where she stops and is like "is this REALLY happening?" It's adorable at points too (like the horribly one-sided snowball fight), especially when Beast is trying to be nice.

It's a testament to the skill of everyone involved here that they pulled it off. It should have been impossible. They basically had a guy imprison someone out of spite and then you root for him to get the girl in the end, purely off of the skill of the writers and performers. A lot of it is The Beast himself- he comes off as terrifying at first- appearing noble and strong, but also unpredictable and vicious. But that scene at the doorway ("I'm not hungry!" "*huge YOU SEE? look*") you kind of get a feel for him, and it becomes more clear later- he's not so much furious as he is... sort of childish. But in that "little boy" kind of way that makes him endearing to a female audience (and, importantly, Belle)- his anger comes from frustration, insecurity and fear. All his roaring and angry eventually gives way to a pleading kind of helplessness (the HILARIOUS scene where he just gobbles down a bowlful of porridge, only to- poorly- attempt to eat with a spoon). As Belle herself sings it "Now he's DEAR... and so UNSURE... I wonder why I didn't see it there before?"

The "Beast As A Nervous Kid" thing is of course best shown in the famous Ballroom Dance Sequence. Look at his face during it- he's nearly always needing to be led on and shown what to do. She leads him into putting his paw against her back, and the whole time he's like "I DUNNO...". When Belle actually NUZZLES HERSELF IN HIS FUR, what's his reaction? He turns to Cogsworth & Lumiere and is like "OMG! You see!? This girl is HUGGING ME!" like a happy little boy. It's adorable.

Stockholm Syndrome? Screw that noise- and Lindsey Ellis and others have pointed out, it neither meets the criteria for that actual effect, but Belle never becomes subservient to her captor- she basically refuses him at every turn, rips him a new one every time he acts like an asshole, and STILL backtalks him every chance she gets. Belle puts up with absolutely NONE of his shit for this entire thing, and that's part of what makes it so fun.

And that's the brilliant thing- the love story is SO WELL DONE that nobody even CONSIDERS all of the little plot holes, like "hey, she's been there for a while, so shouldn't people realize she's gone?", or "why can ONLY BELLE go save Maurice? Why can't Beast help too, instead of setting her free?" or "doesn't she remember this guy arrested her father over nothing and is holding her prisoner?". In a lesser film, this would be all you could think about- but instead, it's just the stuff a bunch of whiny internet dorks bitch about (annoyingly, the Live-Action Remake tries to "fix" all of them, making for a bloated screenplay). Haters gonna hate: This is a love story about a giant dickhead and how the love of the MOST PERFECT WOMAN EVER has changed him into a kind, gentle, loving individual. Hell, look at the ending bits, where Beast releases her from her confinement so she can go and meet her father- it KILLS HIM to set her free, because he loves her so much, but he can't sit and watch her suffer. Her leaving hurts him so much he WAILS in animalistic fury, and resigns himself to die at Gaston's hands. He just looks at the murderous villain with these sad eyes, shrugs, and turns away to meet his fate. SUICIDE IN A DISNEY FILM. And it all pays off with the most important bit- "You CAME BACK..." he says in his dying moments, and Belle can only say "Of COURSE I did--!" before begging him not to leave her.

And this movie is FUNNY. People go nuts about The Emperor's New Groove or how funny The Genie and Timon & Pumbaa are, but I have to say, this is the funniest Disney movie ever. Cogsworth's great "Promises you don't intend to KEEP" line is classically-cynical about the whole love game, and is perfect. The part where The Beast all dressed up with curly fur like a dog, and Lumiere's all "You look so...." "STUPID." is freaking hilarious. But the funniest moment in Disney history has to be in that scene where they're eating breakfast across the table from each other (starting right here). Beautiful Belle takes this dainty little sip of her food, all smiling... then jerks back because The Beast is FACE-DEEP in his damn porridge, slobbering all over the place, with his cheeks all puffed out and his eyes all squinted in a daze. Absolutely KILLS ME every single time. And that's not even getting into the uproarious Gaston Villain Song.

Also... Belle is Perfect:
And OH GOD THE FANSERVICE. A lot of this gets glossed over because there's no Clamshell Bikini, she's not as busty as Pocahontas, or as flagrantly sexual as Esmeralda or Jessica Rabbit. But this movie has a TON of the stuff- Gaston's three floozies are bouncing all over the place in skimpy dresses, for one (during the opening number, one of them pushes a water pump down WITH HER BOOBS). One of the peasant woman is quite... talented, as well, which a shopkeeper notes by staring RIGHT AT HER CLEAVAGE. There's that bit with the maid at the end, which is just "DAMN!" Two seconds of screen-time and it's hotter than hell. BUT BELLE OH HOLY GOD. They're very much into the "She's beautiful as all hell and you'd kill for her" thing and make her very G-rated as a beauty, and then there's that scene with that golden dress and the greatest animation ever (1992 and it's still very good CGI and animation merging together as one- even later movies fail at this), and Belle's the most attractive thing ever. And THEN there's an over-the-shoulder shot of Belle from the top-down and you're like "OHHHHHH yeah these are male animators all right" because it temporarily looks like she's gonna explode out of that damn thing ([url=httphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ0ODCMC6xs&NR= ... =endscreen]2:02 here and you're welcome[/url]- P.S. also the most romantic scene basically ever). But I digress :).

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Re: King Triton

Post by HalloweenJack » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:50 pm

Jabroniville wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:43 pm

About the Performer: Kenneth Mars is an unknown to me, but he'd done bit parts on TV for years before The Little Mermaid came out, and did more after. The one I actually remember is Otto, the German dude ranch owner (and Francis's employer) on Malcolm in the Middle. He died of pancreatic cancer in 2011, and had voiced Triton in everything until then, as well as some other animated characters (most notably Grandpa Longneck in the Land Before Time series).
He did a few Mel Brooks movies like the Producers (he wrote springtime for hitler) and was the wooden armed inspector in Young Frankenstein

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Moar Gushing!

Post by Jabroniville » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:25 am

RECEPTION & CULTURAL IMPACT:
-WELL GEEZ. This is probably the most effective and well-liked of the entire Disney Animated Canon- how's that? One of the few to measure up to the Old Classics in the minds of pretty much everybody, while ALSO gaining respect in modern times. I remember all the adults in my life going on and on about this one, decrying the newer Disney films as being "Not as good as Beauty and the Beast". People fell in LOVE with this movie. Being nominated for an Oscar was an untouchable achievement people legitimately thought would never happen again (it's generally agreed upon that the "Best Animated Feature" award was created entirely to prevent this from every happening again, in fact- if Silence of the Lambs hadn't come out that same year, it's thought that Beauty and the Beast would have actually WON).

-The movie was a huge, HUGE hit (doing about six times its budget- unprecedented numbers), and since The Little Mermaid had come out only two years earlier, it basically killed the Sophomore Jinx. This was no fluke- we were now in a Disney Renaissance. Hitting it out of the park for TWO pictures in a row (nobody counts The Rescuers Down Under- different teams involved)? With a whole NEW set of show-stealing songs? And toyetic side characters? And a new Disney Princesses Who Wants More From Life? I mean, Ariel's movie coulda been a fluke. But no- this PROVED they were onto something.

The Characters:
-Belle is arguably the most beloved Disney Princess ever- others were more bad-ass, but none of them had Belle's style and intelligence. Belle was smart and TOUGH, dealing with just about anything. No wilting flower, she came straight at anyone who pissed her off, putting both Gaston AND the Beast in their places. Ariel might have been more Toyetic, but Belle's distinctive yellow/gold gown is probably the most famous gown in Disney history until a certain Snow Queen came out. But, I mean... people like Cinderella, and Aurora, and Ariel, and Rapunzel. But they LOVE Belle.

-Belle is a major centerpiece of the Disney Princess Line, often being central to images, and appearing very on-model (a hard thing to pull off- most other Princesses had their signature looks altered for the line). She got a "Hair Porn" upgrade in recent years, however, as her "simple bun with her hair back" look has turned into cascading curls. But the golden, sparkly dress with shoulder-length gloves? Hell yes. Belle is pretty easily the most popular single Princess, in fact- her only competition isn't actually included among the "Official" Princesses, and Queen Elsa's still yet to prove the test of time.

-Gaston has become one of Disney's most popular villains, primarily for his boastfulness and "Alpha Male" persona. Taking it so far over the top made him a beloved figure, with people acknowledging how clever it was to turn the villain into Just Some Douchebag. And has their ever been a toadie so detestable as LeFou? Even the Sidekicks have become icons- the Live-Action Remake staffed them with superstar performers, making them even more important to the plot. They played off of each other so well that people STILL remember them.

Other Stuff:
-The songs? Like The Little Mermaid, it has four major showstoppers that have become legends in their own right. Gaston is an uproarious ode to manliness, with Roger Ebert laughing his ass off in his review about how it just deals with biting, spitting and antler use in interior decorating. Be Our Guest is among Disney's catchiest songs ever, and the animation is one of cartooning's most legendary sequences ever- it's led directly to a Simpson parody, and is probably the signature song recognized from the movie. The title song and the resulting Pop Hit were also huge deals- it's utterly romantic and sincere. And even Belle, our introductory song, leads to some great stuff, with the opening "Bonjour!" "Bonjour!" "Bonjour!" stuff getting quoted, and everyone immediately recognizing it based off of the opening few bars. Belle's reprise of it on the hilltop by her humble little home is an EPIC Princess Moment, too, despite being a short little bit. Hell, three of these songs were nominated for Oscars- only two other movies in history have earned that privilege (also by Disney- The Lion King and Enchanted).

-The movie has become a major part of the Disney Parks, despite being fairly new. Part of Disney World's New Fantasyland expansion included a Be Our Guest restaurant, with a tiny version of Beast's Castle seen "off in the distance" (ie. cottage-sized and just a dozen feet away from the walkway, but elevated). A walk-through attraction is in the same park, where you can meet Belle and engage with the various characters via projection screens and complicated special effects (like hidden or moving doorways). Belle herself is a major Princess you can meet, and even Gaston himself is often found in the parks- he recently became a meme a few years ago with the sexist, outrageous behavior of the Face Character performers, often showing up male guests or saying horrible things to female ones.

-And, of course, the Signature Scene of the entire film is THAT BALLROOM SEQUENCE- a mixture of CGI and traditional animation done perfectly, encircling our two lead characters while they slowly fall in love with each other, despite their initial impressions. It's so iconic that they pretty much have to show it every time they advertise the film. And Beauty and the Beast DVD releases are still A BIG DEAL, as the Disney Vault is serious business in this case.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by greycrusader » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:29 am

Adam Hughes is right up there with Frank Cho in terms of pin-up "good girl" art, but Tinkerbell with that bosom...just...seems...wrong.

All my best.

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Re: Jab's Builds! (Jessica Rabbit! Judge Doom! The Little Mermaid! Ariel! Ursula!)

Post by MacynSnow » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:48 am

Let's not overlook one of the BEST Trope Villian's EVER ,GASTON!

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